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Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #25 –
fb2k = foobar2000.

Can't answer your iTunes question. You're right about Quicktime - I find it's quite a nasty application on windows.

Cheers,
David.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #26 –
What a "cake" I am!!!!!. I have just downloaded the horrible package of iiTunes and examining it careflully, seems to be real good. All others are pomades that require buying the product to accomplish their full functions. I have just burnt a very special version of Liszt's sonta because it has five tracks (the work is a solid rock one piece as its essential modernity), BUT it is a recording of 1932 (Horowitz); then it comes with background noise. Then even with a version that I got by joining the files, the noise gaps were very notorious and, probably, without those tiny silences the result would have been good. I will go to play the new CD and I tell you what did I get. Some people talk of Winamp, but it's an application for Superman, because everything is midget and is disagreable in general. Greetings.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #27 –
Quote from: 2Bdecided on
fb2k = foobar2000.

Can't answer your iTunes question. You're right about Quicktime - I find it's quite a nasty application on windows.

Cheers,
David.

Almost perfect...: very tiny noise silences. What wil I get, for example from a fully tracked Tristan und Isolde's second act, that's an ocean from the start to end? I am still surprised with that abridged Tosca by Decca (downloaded from DG store) whose long tracked scene was played continuously, even when I burnt it with the splendid Burrrn (that doesn't have the possibility to manipulate gaps (in this second, playing of Liszt sonata track 2 passed to 3 absolutely free of anything... hurrah!). Greetings

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #28 –
Just a thought (though mods might not be very happy with this suggestion!) - In my opinion (I am not a lawyer!) that 1932 recording is completely out of copyright in Europe. Liszt died more than 70 years ago, and the recording was released more than 50 years ago. Q.E.D.

So it could be legally shared in its entirety, and people here could play with it to see what, if anything, can do the job properly.

Though I still think a better answer is to contact DG - if their chosen method (iTunes) doesn't work, it is there problem!

Cheers,
David.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #29 –
Yes, I perfectly know about the son in love of Toscanini.  I download it, pre paying (because Naxos bought the rights) from Classiconline that's the store of Naxos records. I am a colector of the extraordinary work, and that one is almost one of the best, after the many "live" ones by Claudio Arrau. Liszt died in 1886 and Horowitz, 1989. These obvious perspectives have nothing to do with the issue. Imagine when died Monteverdi or Gluck. I am talking of the inconvinients I have with my downloaded files of the work from a store. To get this performance one must pay to Naxos (is not on the free domain). Another issue: if DG doesn't function, the problem is not theirs, is mine. At that respect I just wrote you telling that the Liszt's sonata from 1932 burning with ITunes was successful, didn't I? That's the point Greetings and many thanks

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #30 –
Quote from: DVDdoug on
Whenever I've made a gapless CD, I've used a single WAV file and a created a cue sheet to positon the track markers.  (I burn with CDRwin...  I don't know how to use a cue sheet with Nero.)

That does require the manual creation of a cue sheet.  And with separate MP3s, you'd have to manually edit/join them.  It might take you an hour or two, but it's not that hard.

P.S.
If you edit & join the MP3s, save your file as a 44.1kHz / 16-bit WAV.  This will eliminate the need to decode/transcode before burning the CD, and it will avoid a 2nd lossy-compression step.

How do you get a single wav? I supose it has to be through converting MP3 to wav and then join the wav files. Isn' It? Many thnaks, and sorry for my specific ignorance in this most specific field. Greetings

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #31 –
Quote from: gottogo99 on
As others have said, you need to have the right kind of mp3s (LAME encoded, others?) to be able to burn them gaplessly.  Otherwise you have to somehow combine them, which requires re-encoding.

If you are fortunate enough to have the right kind of mp3s, foobar's burninate component will allow gapless audio CD burning:  http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...9/foo_burninate.  After installing, simply open files in foobar2000, right click, and Write Audio CD.  Non-LAME mp3s will burn with a slight gap between tracks.

Many thanks indeed. Does Foobar have any setting as for gapless? Or does it burn gapless by default? I am very much impressed with Foobar and I have realized that almost the majority of download mp3 files are LAME encoded. I am just concerned with very long works as complete operas. I cannot fully understand the "cue  list" issue. Many thanks and friendly greetings

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #32 –
Foobar will burn gaplessly unless you uncheck the box.  Have you tried the Burninate plugin yet?  I know you were having some trouble with Win XP.

With foobar, you don't need a cue sheet.  Just load the files you want to burn into foobar, select them, right click, and "Write Audio CD."

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #33 –
I told you recently that I fixed the burninate inside the proper folder and everyting is running very fine. Thanks God (metaphorically...) that I do not need that "damned" cue sheet! I am looking for the gapless setting that is not at prime view. I have been seing that labels encode files alleatorilly (Lame, flossy, etc.). Hope operas come LAME...Many thanks

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #35 –
Quote from: gottogo99 on
Foobar will burn gaplessly unless you uncheck the box.  Have you tried the Burninate plugin yet?  I know you were having some trouble with Win XP.

With foobar, you don't need a cue sheet.  Just load the files you want to burn into foobar, select them, right click, and "Write Audio CD."


With respect to Foobar burning, why some people speak of the need to have Nero together? AS you and ohter people do not mention it I supose those comments could be a little obsolete. If I burn a recital with Foobar, will I get a "snake" of arias one inmediately after the other? Why not? Greetings I refer to this http://club.myce.com/f109/gapless-audio-cd...res-how-102739/

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #36 –
Quote from: greynol on
Ok, the mindless quoting is starting to get out of hand again...

Sorry I don't catch it. Could you be so kind to explan your sentence? Greetings

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #37 –
If you're responding to the post prior to yours then there is no need to quote the entire thing.  With the most recent posts, there was no need to quote them at all.  When you quote someone, make sure you quote only what is relevant to your response such as addressing a particular point that was made.  It's usually more appropriate to quote just a sentence rather than entire paragraphs.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #38 –
You have not anwered my question, about your sentence, Sir. I participate in uncountable forums and nobody had appeared with this issue of the way of answering. I am not saying you are wrong, but trying to explain that I answer almost automatically so. I will try to keep in mind the uses of this very good forum. As to "loose control", or something like that, you can be absolutely sure that I need to be almost frozen for being warm to others (Nietzsche) (I am a 72 year old MD therapist, (not psychanalist "with the grace of God"). Have a nice 2010. Many thanks for your kind advices (I refer to you and the forum).

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #39 –
I apologize for using the term mindless, but in this response, you actually quoted yourself, for which I cannot for the life of me see any reasonable justification other than you weren't being mindful.

We don't want our readers to have to read everything twice or more when it doesn't add any value to the discussion.

I hope I've made our policy clear; and it is the policy that is important here.

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Reply #40 –
Very good..., very good, indeed, you catched me; also at using the word mindless, and, in reality, always, everybody needs to be a little critical of that lie that we call reality. Very friendly greetings. I also support forced discipline everywhere and I have been successful as chief, as academic, father and professional. People love stong personalty guys and as our nothern neighbours know, people despise clowns in the power... Good speech isn't it? I stronlgy like and admire this forum; is a real serious one. No charlatans...
 

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Reply #41 –
Quote from: sachs on
With respect to Foobar burning, why some people speak of the need to have Nero together? AS you and ohter people do not mention it I supose those comments could be a little obsolete.

Yes, those comments are now obsolete. The new version of foo_burninate does not require Nero.

Quote from: sachs on
If I burn a recital with Foobar, will I get a "snake" of arias one inmediately after the other?

If foobar can play the files gaplessly, then they will burn gaplessly.

Also, if foobar can play the files gaplessly, you can use foobar to convert them to WAV, and then burn the WAVs with other software (such as Burrrn, CDBurnerXP, or ImgBurn).

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #42 –
Take care dear trout, don't write over the previous message or you will be soflty admonished by our dear friend greynol (it's a joke). I think your are probably wrong, because if I play a downloaded work that comes fully tracked being continuous music, in every PC sound player, sounds continuous (I have had the experience with a performance of Liszt's Sonata thorugh WMP). This work, as soon as I burnt to wav, resulted in a spoiled gapped CD. Then I will play a MP3 work, eventually with Foobar, and I supose it will sound as continuous also. My parallel question, also, is: if I burn a singer's recital with several arias, with Foobar, will I get all tracks in a joint "snake".
It seems that there are two types of gaps: one, intrinsically secondary to MP3 encoding (except LAME), that are undesirable and that are eliminated by Foobar; and, second, those between song and song that behave differently and get conserved when burnt with Foobar. Arn't they? Concretely: If I download a complete opera, either lossy or LAME, and burn it with Foobar, will I surely get normal CD's, with no gapped acts? Many thanks and friendly greetings

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #43 –
At with respect to convert previously, it's a very good idea and I like that very much (will Foobar convert bad encoded MP3's in "clean" wav's?). I supose Burrrn (that I like very much), and the other applications will accept wav files, because, for exmaple FLAC ones (that seem to be free of problems of misgapping), are accepted by a few ones, as Foobar, JukeBox and Winamp. Recently, I got really wonderful CD's from flac files with either Nero or Burrrn. But, but..., they were works with movements, not continuous (Beethoven's one Septet and Petite Messe Solennelle ny Rossini). My concerns are complete operas, many of which do not come in FLAC files. Many thanks again.

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Reply #44 –
Quote from: trout on
If foobar can play the files gaplessly, then they will burn gaplessly.
Does that always work?

To play gaplessly, you simply need the decoded audio to be without gaps.

To burn gaplessly, you need the decoded audio to be without gaps, but you also need each (gapless) track to be an integer number of CD frames - i.e. to have a length that is a multiple of N samples (I can't remember what N is!).

Does fb2k move the track boundaries subtly to ensure that the tracks remain gapless and are a length that is a multiple of the CD frame size?

Cheers,
David.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #46 –
Quote from: 2Bdecided on
To burn gaplessly, you need the decoded audio to be without gaps, but you also need each (gapless) track to be an integer number of CD frames - i.e. to have a length that is a multiple of N samples (I can't remember what N is!).

Of course you are correct that tracks must end on sector boundaries. I was trying to keep the discussion simple for the sake of the OP, so was going on the assumption that tracks would be returned to the length of their CD origin. In my personal experience with my own library of LAME encoded files, foobar2000 always outputs an accurate track length which is divisible by 588 samples (1/75 seconds). Though I realize that in the real world, purchased music might not always have been ripped and encoded so perfectly.

I don't know how foobar2000 otherwise handles this. But if it becomes an issue, a simple solution is to convert to a single file image which certainly is a what-you-hear-is-what-you-get method.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #47 –
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To burn gaplessly, you need the decoded audio to be without gaps, but you also need each (gapless) track to be an integer number of CD frames - i.e. to have a length that is a multiple of N samples (I can't remember what N is!).

Does fb2k move the track boundaries subtly to ensure that the tracks remain gapless and are a length that is a multiple of the CD frame size?

I think you quote yourself... What is fb2k???

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #48 –
fb2k is foobar2000.

Burning gapless wav CD's from MP3 files

Reply #49 –
ccurate track length which is divisible by 588 samples (1/75 seconds). Though I realize that in the real world, purchased music might not always have been ripped and encoded so perfectly.

I don't know how foobar2000 otherwise handles this. But if it becomes an issue, a simple solution is to convert to a single file image which certainly is a what-you-hear-is-what-you-get method.
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I am sorry to say that I am confused with answers. In other forums, at answering below the quotation,  without a restrictive "policy"  at the respect, distribution and order got maintained for every member participating in the forum.
I will get acustomed.
I think that converting all MP3's in a single WAV it will be gotten one single wav, with gaps between the primitivie MP3 files.

But..., but...; I have the idea, as I already said, that  labels use different types of arrangements either for tracks that properly 'divide' movements and tracks that just 'point' themes. I recently downloaded an abridged opera that brought a long scene fully tracked; well, after I burnt the MP3 files (just lossy encoded), that large tracked scene was played continuously from the burnt CD in my stereo system. I burnt the issue just with straight Burrrn that has no setting for gaps... So, I have the suspect that if I download MP3 complete operas from known stores, I will get 'normal' burnt CD's without gaps that spoil the listening, just burning them. Unfortunately, the majority of these works are from the fifties and sixties (Golden times), then, are not considered for issuing them on FLAC (only Hyperion sells everything on both types). What do you think about this last thought? Please sorry for maintining anybody too much time inside this theme. I am delighted with your good will and knowledge.I perfectly know you are volunteers and I have the enough culture to deeply appreciate that. Please be so kinbd to keep in mind that a 72 year MD asks because he doesn't know about this so specific matter that concerns him very much as one of his hobbies that maintain him perfectly "in service" as a qualified specialist. And I have not enough words to thank you. Cheers.