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Bit-perfect bin/cue files

What is the best way to generate a bit-perfect / accurate / secure rip of an audio CD (or DVD) to create a perfect bin/cue archive/image file of the disc?

I do not want to encode it (flac, ...) at this point. Just want to archive the disc perfectly and encode it later.

A command line mode would be ideal as I plan to use robotics (Sony VGP-XL1B & Powerfile 200-disc CD/DVD firewire changers) to do the job.

Thanks for your help!
Nemo

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #1 –
BIN/CUE  So you mean with all subchannel code being bit-perfect, too? I think there's none, at least the only attempt at a secure ripper which also rips the subchannels securely is called "Perfect Rip". Have a search for it in this forum or at CDFreaks.

But personally I find its user interface must have come out of a B-movie and quite frankly I see no need to also rip the subchannels. I don't backup CD+G or disks like that.

EAC is my weapon of choice, in the end it's the audio I want to be accurate and all the metadata is transformed into another format anyway right after extraction: Wavpack for the audio and APEv2 tags for the cue sheets and all additional metadata.

Since you've got a CD-changer, I'd recommend you take a look at dBpoweramp's Batch Ripping extension. dBpoweramp Music Converter is equally secure if not superior to EAC, but it costs a little.

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Fandango on
dBpoweramp Music Converter is equally secure if not superior to EAC, but it costs a little.

Please don't tell me you've jumped on this bandwagon also.  There are situations with drives that don't provide C2 pointers where dBpa can be less secure than EAC.  EDIT: Furthermore, I would not be surprised to find (albeit likely rare) situations with drives that can provide C2 pointers as well since EAC takes measures to ensure synchronized data.

Regarding the original question, a bin file is the same thing as a raw PCM file which is essentially the same thing as a wave file or aiff file but without the container.  It's relatively simple to create a bin file with EAC, but I see little point in doing so.

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #3 –
Quote from: greynol on
Regarding the original question, a bin file is the same thing as a raw PCM file which is essentially the same thing as a wave file or aiff file but without the container.  It's relatively simple to create a bin file with EAC, but I see little point in doing so.

The reason is that discs sometimes have more information than just audio tracks (e.g. Enhanced CDs) so in order to archive (and be able to completely restore) them one has to use a comprehensive format that does not try to interpret the data.

My dream system would be to have all my CDs (even Enhanced CDs, CD+G, etc.) and DVDs accurately and securely archived in a bit-perfect compressed non-proprietary format and a virtual jukebox database player program to locate, mount and play any track straight from the archives with no need to encode for PC-based playback.

Of course one could also batch-encode to lossless (e.g. FLAC) or lossy (e.g. mp3) formats or even to stream straight from the archive files.

I'm I dreaming? Is anyone here doing something like that? If you were how would do it?

Thanks for your reply.  Nemo

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Reply #4 –
Thanks for you reply Fandango.
Quote from: Fandango on
BIN/CUE  So you mean with all subchannel code being bit-perfect, too? I think there's none, at least the only attempt at a secure ripper which also rips the subchannels securely is called "Perfect Rip". Have a search for it in this forum or at CDFreaks.  But personally I find its user interface must have come out of a B-movie and quite frankly I see no need to also rip the subchannels. I don't backup CD+G or disks like that.
I have looked into PerfectRip but ran into problems.  From what I have read I am not the only one.  But it looked promising at first.
Quote from: Fandango on
EAC is my weapon of choice, in the end it's the audio I want to be accurate and all the metadata is transformed into another format anyway right after extraction: Wavpack for the audio and APEv2 tags for the cue sheets and all additional metadata.
I agree that this is a nice approach but unfortunately it does not guarantee a complete archive of non audio-only discs.
Quote from: Fandango on
Since you've got a CD-changer, I'd recommend you take a look at dBpoweramp's Batch Ripping extension. dBpoweramp Music Converter is equally secure if not superior to EAC, but it costs a little.
Excellent suggestion again.  Actually I have been using this exact setup and it works nicely for ripping audio tracks (with AccurateRip) but again no full archive (bin/cue style) is possible with this approach.

Please check above what my dream system would be and tell me what you think.  Thanks! Nemo

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #5 –
If you're talking about enhanced CDs where the data comes after the music it cannot be done with a single bin file.  The reason being is that these discs contain two separate sessions.

It's been a long time since I've looked at discs where the first track is the data track.  Perhaps it's possible in this case, but my gut tells me you're dreaming.

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #6 –
Two sessions...hum... that's a problem  :-(

There goes the use of bin files but other image formats can do it though such as MagicISO's UIF.  Is there one that is not proprietary?

What about the other part of my dream: a virtual jukebox database player program to locate, mount and play any track straight from the archives with no need to encode for PC-based playback. Some player programs (e.g. VideoLAN's VLC) seem to be able to play straight from the bin/cue file without having to use a separate mounting program (e.g. Alcohol or MagicDisc).

Are you aware of other similar programs?  Thanks! Nemo

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #7 –
Foobar2000 can play tracks form images using cue sheets.

Now that we know you're not talking about the real world, you'd be best suited to drop this fascination with bin files.

Bit-perfect bin/cue files

Reply #8 –
Quote from: greynol on
If you're talking about enhanced CDs where the data comes after the music it cannot be done with a single bin file.  The reason being is that these discs contain two separate sessions.

Imgburn can extract multisession discs as one .bin file per disc (it uses some non-standard cue syntax, REM SESSION NN, to separate sessions). But I really find this idea of virtual tape deck absurd. Tired of convenience of digital media library in one place?
 

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Reply #10 –
Quote from: greynol on
Is Imgburn capable of secure extraction of audio data?

No, plain read function. Can re-read in case of read error. Can do the job if one got reliable cd reader, clean discs and no paranoia.