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Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Hi, I have around 600 cds that I want rip for sell... I use MAC, I want rip with the best quality possible, I dont care about space, I can rip on AIFF

but I dont know whats the best way to rip? EAC on PC (a lot settings) XLD on mac (a lot options) itunes (simple but better that otherones??)

other thing is apple lossless vs aiff? and well aiff vs wav?

mmm well I want a perfect work here beacuse, when sell the cds they dont back again 

any comments? thanks

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #2 –
You know that when you sell your CD's, your ripped music are illegal, right? They are no better than downloaded material.

Besides that, there are no difference between any lossless format, e.g. AIFF/WAV/FLAC/APE/TAK/whatever... You can convert between any format as many times you want and the decoded bits will be the same (no quality loss).

I don't believe there's a "best" ripper. Any ripper should be able to rip a clean CD properly*. However there are tools available that will help you identify if your rip were performed bit-exact as others have ripped; it's called AccurateRip and are featured in EAC and dBpoweramp. You could probably rip using any ripper you want and then afterwards verify your rip against AccurateRip database using CUEtools or foobar2000 (note that special CD layouts can be mis-detected and not displayed properly if you don't have a cuesheet along with your rip).

* depending on the drive and quality of the laser etc.
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #3 –
Quote from: odyssey on
You know that when you sell your CD's, your ripped music are illegal, right? They are no better than downloaded material.

That depends on where you live. Amusing to see such universal legal remarks coming from people who cannot tell their large country from the entire world -- such as the US and ... Denmark?!?
(Move your backside north over Skagerrak to a country which has mountains, and you are free to rip your CDs and then sell them. Not sure if you are allowed to bring your files home afterwards, though, so you might have to stay here forever )


Quote from: odyssey on
I don't believe there's a "best" ripper. Any ripper should be able to rip a clean CD properly*. However there are tools available that will help you identify if your rip were performed bit-exact as others have ripped; it's called AccurateRip and are featured in EAC and dBpoweramp.


And there is one ripper for the appleware too, isn't it? (And it seems -- though I have not tried -- that the foobar 1.0 beta also can test while ripping.)

I'd say AccurateRip integration is better in dBpoweramp (which checks after first burst rip, and invokes secure mode only if unmatched) -- but this is, I guess, mainly an issue of speed. A probably more significant pro for the dBpoweramp is that it features not only freedb metadata, but also MusicBrainz (OK, not too much that freedb does not have) and Allmusic (just like Windows Media Player, I think) and GD (excellent for classical music).

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #4 –
Quote from: Porcus on
Amusing to see such universal legal remarks coming from people who cannot tell their large country from the entire world -- such as the US and ... Denmark?!?

I make a universal remark because the legitimity of such action applies to most of the world. Maybe not in your boring useless country, but in most others.

Not to mention that many people simply just forget about right and wrong because they don't know or care to check up on legal aspects.
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #5 –
in my opinion EAC is by far the best cd ripper providing you configure your drive correctly (you will find set up guides if you search with google) i wouldnt rip a cd any other way.

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Reply #6 –
Quote from: a13xth0rn3 on
(you will find set up guides if you search with google)

You may (and probably will) find wrong guides when you search google. Use only the HA WIKI to see your options with EAC.
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #7 –
Quote from: odyssey on
Not to mention that many people simply just forget about right and wrong because they don't know or care to check up on legal aspects.

Odyssey, if someone makes a copy of a CD then sells it, and you buy it, does that make you an accomplice? Since without your purchase of the original the act of piracy would not have occured.
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At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense. -- wiki

C.
PC = TAK + LossyWAV  ::  Portable = Opus (130)

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Reply #8 –
Quote from: a13xth0rn3 on
in my opinion EAC is by far the best cd ripper providing you configure your drive correctly (you will find set up guides if you search with google) i wouldnt rip a cd any other way.
I don't think things are so clear cut any more. dBpowerAMP has some clear advantages. EAC has some too. Anyone saying one or the other is "best" without clarification is oversimplifying.

Cheers,
David.

 

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Reply #9 –
Quote from: 2Bdecided on
Quote from: a13xth0rn3 on
in my opinion EAC is by far the best cd ripper providing you configure your drive correctly (you will find set up guides if you search with google) i wouldnt rip a cd any other way.
I don't think things are so clear cut any more. dBpowerAMP has some clear advantages. EAC has some too. Anyone saying one or the other is "best" without clarification is oversimplifying.
I usually hate these kinds of posts, but here goes anyhow: +1

a13xth0rn3, please read our Terms of Service, paying attention to point 8. You're breaking our rules here. Basically any ripper capable of reading HTOA and handling offsets can potentially be a secure ripper if the release can be verified against an AccurateRip entry. Some rippers simply return more reliable results than others. There have been no comprehensive study of which ripper produces the most accurate rips in problem cases. dBpoweramp and EAC both provide proven results and foobar2000 v1.0 may now be on an even footing.

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Reply #11 –
yeah when apple sell music on apple lossless AND AVAILABLE FOR MY COUNTRY! the music are legal to me! for know I dont care rip all my cds and keep on digital... for me apple and amazon and the entire industry sucks on that sense... all its just for usa and shitty lossy formats...

thanks guys for all post , but what really thing about EAC is better to itunes, or EAC is the same that XLD ? XLD better to itunes, itunes better to all... ?

thanks

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Reply #12 –
EAC and XLD are better than iTunes. XLD is capable of secure ripping, apparently, and has AccurateRip support, so it's roughly equivalent to EAC. EAC's better-tested though.

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #13 –
I think a distinction needs to be made, let me clarify - before AccurateRip existed, rippers were secure by using various techniques, such as re-reading and c2 pointers. The distinction between secure rippers and non secure were these abilites.

AccurateRip is a verification method, but that does not change the underlying ripper ***, in that add AccurateRip to ripper XYZ, yes your results are verified as correct or not, but for those discs which are not in AccurateRip, the secureness of the ripper comes into play. The obvious case of this would be if AccurateRip was added to iTunes or WMP (not that I see that happening).

*** in a simplified view, it is possible for a ripper to work with AccurateRips result to try to obtain that exact result

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #14 –
Yeah, he was just looking for a ranking, so I gave him that. Thanks for contributing, spoon.

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Reply #15 –
Quote from: odyssey on
You know that when you sell your CD's, your ripped music are illegal, right?

No, it's not. Even in France, where a very repressive law against P2P was voted, owning a copy of a legally acquired unprotected CD is perfectly legal, whether you still own the original or not. That's why laws in most countries are focused on sharing and uploading (which are unequivocally illegal). That's also why you can tape a film on TV or any unprotected streamed media and keep the copy forever.

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Reply #16 –
Quote from: umbilical on
all its just for usa and shitty lossy formats...

I don't know who you have been talking to, my friend, by lossy formats have not been "shitty" for quite a while. I don't really understand what you are trying to say here.
I'm the one in the picture, sitting on a giant cabbage in Mexico, circa 1978.
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Reply #17 –
Quote from: Porcus on
I'd say AccurateRip integration is better in dBpoweramp (which checks after first burst rip, and invokes secure mode only if unmatched)

Well, not really, no.  All passes in dBpoweramp are burst passes.  In fact, all reads are burst reads in all rippers regardless of the configuration.  The difference is what is done with these burst reads.  It seems this is a pretty wide-spread misconception about ripping.

That said, any ripper can be used securely.  You simply rip twice to two different files and compare them.  If they match then both copies are secure.  This is what a secure rip is in its most basic form.  Spoon mentioned C2 pointers, which depending on the drive, may not provide trustworthy results unless combined with some method with verification.

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #18 –
Quote from: greynol on
Quote from: Porcus on
I'd say AccurateRip integration is better in dBpoweramp (which checks after first burst rip, and invokes secure mode only if unmatched)

Well, not really, no.  All passes in dBpoweramp are burst passes.  In fact, all reads are burst reads in all rippers regardless of the configuration.  The difference is what is done with these burst reads.  It seems this is a pretty wide-spread misconception about ripping.

Now you're adding to my confusion, in the very least 

dBpoweramp reads once and compares to AccurateRip. If matched on first pass, then considered "Accurate" (which implies secure, in the very least with the definition you posted) and the process stops, saving the time trying to establish a secure rip by other means.
If not, there are still verification tests performed that will lead the process to stop if an AccurateRip match is obtained, before running the full "secure" mode to the end. Still time saved.
(Also, there might be cases where successive re-reads and picking the most frequent result, will vote-out an AccurateRip match.)

Best ripper in the world? EAC vs iTunes vs XLD

Reply #19 –
And how does Easy CD-DA Extractor fare compared to dBpoweramp and EAC? It claims (I know claims are one, reality something else) to have an accurate CD ripping engine.

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: Porcus on
If not, there are still verification tests performed that will lead the process to stop if an AccurateRip match is obtained, before running the full "secure" mode to the end.

I'm just trying to tell you that what you're describing is the mode itself, rather than a matter of the software switching between modes.  dBpoweramp rips the entire track in burst mode at first and if there is no AR match then it might perform a burst rip of the entire track again to check for differences, if that's how you have it configured.

It's pretty well spelled out right here:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: carpman on
Quote from: odyssey on
Not to mention that many people simply just forget about right and wrong because they don't know or care to check up on legal aspects.

Odyssey, if someone makes a copy of a CD then sells it, and you buy it, does that make you an accomplice? Since without your purchase of the original the act of piracy would not have occured.
Quote
At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense. -- wiki

C.

So i'm a criminal - I buy 2nd hand records...

Quote from: BoraBora on
Quote from: odyssey on
You know that when you sell your CD's, your ripped music are illegal, right?

No, it's not. Even in France, where a very repressive law against P2P was voted, owning a copy of a legally acquired unprotected CD is perfectly legal, whether you still own the original or not. That's why laws in most countries are focused on sharing and uploading (which are unequivocally illegal). That's also why you can tape a film on TV or any unprotected streamed media and keep the copy forever.

Interesting - How is sharing the digital media (p2p) different from sharing the physical media to everyone that wants a copy?

Addition:
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owning a copy of a legally acquired unprotected CD is perfectly legal, whether you still own the original or not.

While I'm quite confident that this sentence is true, I disagree that it allows you to sell your music while keeping a copy of it. The legality is not in the media itself, but in the purchase. In reality I believe it's pretty much a grey zone simply because it's too hard to enforce (who keeps a receipt of their purchases anyway?)
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

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Reply #22 –
Back to the original question - I am with those that recommend dBpoweramp, especially for its metadata system - PerfetMeta - which downloads metadata from 4 providers, compares the results and comes up with results better then any of them alone, fixing most spelling errors and missing data.

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Reply #23 –
Since this topic is clearly a magnet for plugs and the OP mentioned having a Mac, I thought I'd mention one that hasn't been mentioned yet...
http://sbooth.org/Rip/

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: odyssey on
Not to mention that many people simply just forget about right and wrong because they don't know or care to check up on legal aspects.

Quote from: odyssey on
In reality I believe it's pretty much a grey zone simply because it's too hard to enforce

So it was black and white (or rather right and wrong), but now it's grey. 

Quote from: carpman on
Odyssey, if someone makes a copy of a CD then sells it, and you buy it, does that make you an accomplice? Since without your purchase of the original the act of piracy would not have occured.
Quote
At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense. -- wiki


Quote from: odyssey on
So i'm a criminal - I buy 2nd hand records...

If you say so. I just asked you a question regarding the law, as you seemed to be on top of the legal stuff. I made no accusations.

Seems to me, when it comes to the actual practical implimentation of the law, one only really finds out what the law is through precident, i.e. you find out what is "right" or "wrong" after the fact (since judgement is made after an action is challenged). That is especially the case where IP rights converge with digital technology; with technology advancing at a substantially quicker pace than the legal system.

C.
PC = TAK + LossyWAV  ::  Portable = Opus (130)