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Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #50
Robertina
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elevatorladylevitateme

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #51
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They are the same nowadays. The difference seems to be that one includes a toolbar where the other installs it if the user asks to.


One of the two pieces of software do install a toolbar without asking for it or do I misunderstand you? This would be the behaviour of malware, mentioned incidentally?


Nothing is installed unless you agree to it. But one includes the toolbar inside the download, and doesn't install it if you don't agree to it. The other doesn't include it, but will fetch it if you agree to it. Same thing, just makes the download bigger/smaller.

It's fairly harmless although I do prefer things that don't enable this by default.

Aside from this uTorrent is a great little program.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #52
uTorrent has an optional toolbar included in its installation (though you need to pay attention during install; it's enabled by default). I've never had any problems at all with it though, security or otherwise, for what that's worth. I don't know anything about what the BitTorrent client installs, as I don't use it.


BitTorrent 6.x == uTorrent

They bought out the guy making uTorrent.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #53
Note there is also possibility to use BitLet, a tiny BitTorrent client running as a Java applet inside the web browser. Quick and easy when I tried it.


i use a torrent client anyway but just tested BitLet with the new foobar beta in firefox & its great, very quick & easy. this is ideal for small downloads, thanks for the pointer

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #54
There are some disadvantages:
  • Have to get a BitTorrent client.



There are web based downloaders that aim to curcumvent ISP throttling and what not. Bitlet.org and btaccel.com are two such sites. No client required, just the .torrent url.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #55
I fully support this move, the devs and admins have every right to save their bandwidth. Downloaded and seeded. Cheers
we was young an' full of beans

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #56
Nice idea, but entirely dependent on people keeping up the seeding - I was staring at a 2 to 3 hour download time until someone started seeding at a sane speed.

I appreciate this is the way forwards, but it could be counter-productive for getting the beta distributed as fast as the straight download as previous. Time will tell.

Anyway, my download is complete, and I'm happily seeding!

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #57
Nice idea, but entirely dependent on people keeping up the seeding - I was staring at a 2 to 3 hour download time until someone started seeding at a sane speed.

I see 200+ seeds here.

Sounds like your client isn't scraping correctly.
elevatorladylevitateme

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #58
Luckily, I'm not one of those sad people whose ISPs are blocking torrent traffic, but I've got a suggestion. Notably, the Pirate Bay's tracker appears to be used as the backup tracker in this beta's torrent. I would advise to use another tracker - http://tracker.openbittorrent.com/announce , since things with The Pirate Bay have been a tad edgy lately and nobody really knows what is going to happen to it and its trackers (talking about TPB being sold to a big company, of course).

Although I certainly don't doubt the stability of the main tracker, it's nice to have a reliable backup - and I'm afraid TPB can't be trusted anymore with that.
No more worries about keeping the main installer as small as possible.
But don't go too far with it...okay?

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #59
Nice idea, but entirely dependent on people keeping up the seeding - I was staring at a 2 to 3 hour download time until someone started seeding at a sane speed.

I see 200+ seeds here.

Sounds like your client isn't scraping correctly.


I'm sure I should understand what you mean, but I don't.
All I know is I have DSL over copper, at 2Mbps, and can get 100 kbps speeds overnight.
I did see several clients try to start their downloads and none got anywhere.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #60
By client he meant the torrent application you used.

It is normal to see connections to other users [peers in torrent speak] [client in your terminology] come and go. Also, quite normal to have it take a bit upfront time for your download desire to be recognized and attended to.

This is probably not the right place to discuss tweaking your particular app and it's settings. My download took 20 - 30 seconds.

Glad you got it downloaded.

terry

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #61
By client he meant the torrent application you used.

It is normal to see connections to other users [peers in torrent speak] [client in your terminology] come and go. Also, quite normal to have it take a bit upfront time for your download desire to be recognized and attended to.

This is probably not the right place to discuss tweaking your particular app and it's settings. My download took 20 - 30 seconds.

Glad you got it downloaded.

terry


I realised that. I'll ask in the utorrent forums on the detail.

No-one seeding at the moment? I need this on my other PC!


Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #63
For your information, if you cannot use BitTorrent as me, but want to install the new foobar2000 v0.9.6.9 beta 1:

I have done a byte by byte comparison of the "foobar2000_0.9.6.9_beta_1.exe", which I got from
as HTTP downloads.

All files are identically with the BitTorrent version I received via e-mail from a girl friend.

The beta runs stable and I am very glad to have it because of the security fixes.

Robertina.
This is HA. Not the Jerry Springer Show.

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Reply #64
I can confirm that this decision has been taken to reduce bandwidth. In fact, we have done this before but it seems to have happened before most posters here started following foobar2000 development, so it's really nothing new... Currently downloads eat up most of our allotted bandwith. We know from experience that releases can quadruple our bandwidth usage over a period of time, meaning that at some point in the future we're guaranteed to run out of it. So we could order more; but this isn't that attractive to a free project, it doesn't scale well, and most of the time, we don't actually need it.

Why isn't it just uploaded to www.megaupload.com and www.rapidshare.com and everybody can download them for free.

Just need to publish the MD5 just in case.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #65
 I think this project prides itself on being a bit more professional than that.

If you feel like you'd want to use something like that than most of those software mirroring sites are adequate. However, the official distribution will be bit torrent for betas.

Again, I don't see what the big deal is as quite a few projects (albeit mostly *nix distros) anymore are disseminated over this protocol.
elevatorladylevitateme

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Reply #66
OK, now again I see 0/0 seed/peer over Opera. I only use Windows Firewall and it asked me to accept the communication. I said "yes please". No communication blocking on the OS side.
Do I need to open tcp/6881-6889 (incoming) on my hardware dsl router, because otherwise it wouldn't work?


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Reply #68
I can confirm that this decision has been taken to reduce bandwidth. In fact, we have done this before but it seems to have happened before most posters here started following foobar2000 development, so it's really nothing new... Currently downloads eat up most of our allotted bandwith. We know from experience that releases can quadruple our bandwidth usage over a period of time, meaning that at some point in the future we're guaranteed to run out of it. So we could order more; but this isn't that attractive to a free project, it doesn't scale well, and most of the time, we don't actually need it.

Why isn't it just uploaded to www.megaupload.com and www.rapidshare.com and everybody can download them for free.

Just need to publish the MD5 just in case.


The hassle of using those sites (both for us and for users) is far greater than using bittorrent, and they'll block out much more users than bittorrent does.

I don't buy the "just check the MD5". Almost no-one actually does that.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #69
Doesn't really make a difference for me, download time is about the same and I've got a torrent client anyway. But I must say that it's great to see how much thought and effort is put into the foobar website. A big thank you for that!

 

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #71
nice move.

for all of you who can't/don't want to use torrent, just go to filehippo and download the latest beta. piece of cake.

and if you ever run out of seeds let me know and i'll hook it up on a 100/100 line.

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #72
There's one thing I would like to suggest regarding the torrent for foobar2000, why not enable DHT for the torrent? DHT is an nice feature

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #73
why not enable DHT for the torrent? DHT is an nice feature

I have the torrent added here, and DHT is enabled. Maybe you need to check the torrent properties dialog? Is the DHT checkbox disabled there?

Betas are now distributed via Bittorrent

Reply #74
why not enable DHT for the torrent? DHT is an nice feature

I have the torrent added here, and DHT is enabled. Maybe you need to check the torrent properties dialog? Is the DHT checkbox disabled there?


My DHT was indeed disabled in µTorrent  I will be seeding until the next beta comes...