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whats a good ogg setting

im fairly new to ogg but what i have heard sounds good

i was just wondering what setting would bea good one to use
oone that would sound better then the lame --r3mix or -preset standard
but end up as a smaller file

thanks 

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #1 –
-q6 is a fairly good setting.
Results in a bitrate at about 192kbps.

Try it out.. 

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #2 –
i use ogg q6 for my files too

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #3 –
That would come out around the same as -preset standard though.  I would see if you can spot the difference between the mp3 on -preset standard and vorbis on -q 4  (~128kbs)
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whats a good ogg setting

Reply #4 –
thanks guys

i guess ill just test and see

just wanted to see what other peeps said hehe

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #5 –
yea i think ill be usin q6 sounds pretty sweet 

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #6 –
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yea i think ill be usin q6 sounds pretty sweet  :rolleyes:

Another happy OGG Vorbis user   

I have been using OGG with this setting the last year or so. The sound is very good and the filesize is quite small.
Conclusion:  I am never going back to MP3!

I am about to check out Lossless compression, especially FLAC, but that is another discussion 

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Reply #7 –
If size is important then the default -q3.00 setting is pretty good. I use this when I encode music to listen on my iPAQ PocketPC with the superb Pocket Music and Video player (www.pocketmvp.com).

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #8 –
-q6 ist transparent for me , so i do use it and i'm quite happy with it.
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whats a good ogg setting

Reply #9 –
I use -q4 because of the small files (for portables) and still cd-like quality. For archiving I use flac with -8. 

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #10 –
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If size is important then the default -q3.00 setting is pretty good. I use this when I encode music to listen on my iPAQ PocketPC with the superb Pocket Music and Video player (www.pocketmvp.com).

Does "pocketmvp" work on the operating sytem PocketPC 2002  for the IPAQ (w00t)

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #11 –
I find that Ogg Vorbis at -q2 is fine for workplace listening.  In environments like that, I can't tell the diff 32khz and 44khz anyway.

I still use LAME/MP3 at home, at VBR 1 with joint stereo (160-300 kbps). I don't think Vorbis's sounds improves much when it gets up to higher "-q" numbers.

This is what I have observed. As usual, YMMV.

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #12 –
Any setting above q6 doesn't make sense with the current Xiph.org Vorbis 1.0 implementation, since it scales badly (not at all) above it.
If q6 is not transparent enough for you, try GTune2's 350kbps mode, which provides the highest currently possible with Vorbis. According to  tests done by members of this board (Guruboolez and myself) its 160kbps setting (-b 999) beats Vorbis 1.0 -q 6 in some cases.

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whats a good ogg setting

Reply #13 –
Jenny, I use PocketMVP on my iPAQ 3970 (PocketPC 2002) and it's much better than the Windows Media Player. It supports DIVX video and MP3, Ogg Vorbis audio files. The latest version can be obtained from:

Pocket Music and Video Player

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Reply #14 –
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Jenny, I use PocketMVP on my iPAQ 3970 (PocketPC 2002) and it's much better than the Windows Media Player. It supports DIVX video and MP3, Ogg Vorbis audio files. The latest version can be obtained from:

Pocket Music and Video Player

I have the older version iPAQ 3630 and the PocketMVP works perfectly

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #15 –
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im fairly new to ogg but what i have heard sounds good

i was just wondering what setting would bea good one to use
oone that would sound better then the lame --r3mix or -preset standard
but end up as a smaller file

thanks 

-q3 is IMHO enough i don't hear the difference.

i use mpc preset -standard, but it's because of my brother.
I would (will in near future) use OGG -q3 or -q4.

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #16 –
i use -q5 for archiving my music
it sounds like cd quality for me

ill never turn back to mp3 too 

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #17 –
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-q6 is a fairly good setting.
Results in a bitrate at about 192kbps.

Try it out..  


The following is a trial-run using oggenc.exe and AG181 External
Encoder shell.  In the table below.. info presented is:

  *  track number,

  *  filename,

  *  quality factor setting (Ogg switch),

  *  ave bps reported by Winamp3,

  *  compression factor,


04 - filename    -q5    165 kbps  8.51x
04 - filename    -q6    196 kbps  7.19x
04 - filename    -q7    223 kbps  6.31x
04 - filename    -q8    257 kbps  5.48x
04 - filename    -q9    325 kbps  4.34x
04 - filename  -q10    456 kbps  3.09x

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Any setting above q6 doesn't make sense with the current Xiph.org Vorbis 1.0 implementation, since it scales badly (not at all) above it.


This is not good information.  I can notice a difference in Q6 to Q7 on good surround equipment.  Simply turn off the front channels and listen to the rear only...  One can definitely here more artifacts then.  And since I listen to some of my OGGs on my theater system, I need them to retain as little of artifacts as can be achieved while still holding the file size down from cloud nine.

In my opinion, you must decide how you will use your music files in the future.  If you will always listen to your music on crappy computer speakers then Q1 would probably best serve your needs.  If you need gapless track transitions then Vorbis should be your choice.  If you want to archive because you don't own the CD then a lossless format would better serve you.

I need a jukebox collection of my songs.  Each one comes from an original CD.  So archiving isn't a problem.  Listening to them with fewest artifacts in a jukebox (one after another) fashion on high-fidelity equipment is how I listen to them now...  I also will be needing hardware players that will support my format of choice relatively soon and will also want to guarantee my ability to play these files on anything I choose.

So open sourced formats are weighing in here as well as quality and future support.

I had all my tunes encoded to Vorbis at Q4...  Then I "discovered" the artifact problem in relation to surround setups.  It didn't bother me too much to re-encode all at Q7.

By the way... I don't care for headphones...  I like to FEEL it!!

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #19 –
It depends.

On average to crappy speaker systems, even quality level 1 will do.

On awesome speaker systems, only quality 7 or 9 will usually do.

I use quality level 7. Vorbis says 6 is transparent, but just to be safe, I upped it to 7, and many eMulers are quite happy with it

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #20 –
If you want achival or transperency, OGG is not the way to go. I know people who can ABX an OGG file no matter how many bits you throw at them, who can't ABX --alt-preset standard or MPC standard to save thier lives.
 

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #21 –
I use q1 for all my music.  It's probably my comp setup, but I can't tell a difference between a wav file and an ogg file encoded using q1 (on multiple songs).  I mostly listen to metal, and I have a SoundBlaster PCI128.  I think the soundcard is the main cause.  I compared with my Sony V6 headphones.  If only iRiver ChromeX supported ogg... than I could do some REAL comparisons.  Oh well, with q1 the file size is about half the size of a 128kbps mp3, and sounds much better to me.

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #22 –
Try something that is meant to make vorbis sound like crap. Like this FLAC sample http://sjeng.org/ftp/vorbis/c44.flac. At -q-1 to -q6, I could tell a difference, yet after 6, even though I couldn't put my finger on WHAT it was, it didn't sound like the original, and in a blind listening test(ABX with someone else at the controls), that "feeling" was right. use -q7, anything after that, sounds the same as -q7

whats a good ogg setting

Reply #23 –
some days ago tried c44 sample. Listened over and over again.  -q4  is dead on arrival.  -q6 still has some pre-echo, that troubles. GT3 is something better. -q8 (+ -8 GT3) is transparent for me. B) LAME 3.92 320kbps is out there...

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Reply #24 –
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If you want achival or transperency, OGG is not the way to go. I know people who can ABX an OGG file no matter how many bits you throw at them, who can't ABX --alt-preset standard or MPC standard to save thier lives.

Try GT3 and see if it's still the same - I doubt anyone can ABX GT -q10.