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Poll

Have you tried a beta version of Vista?

I've tried Vista Beta RC1 or newer.
[ 53 ] (29.3%)
I've tried an older beta of Vista or Longhorn.
[ 10 ] (5.5%)
I havn't tried a beta of Vista yet, but I want to.
[ 32 ] (17.7%)
I don't care about Windows Vista.
[ 86 ] (47.5%)

Total Members Voted: 214

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Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #75 –
I can't really complain about XP, it has done me well over the years. I am getting a Mac next week though and I probably won't upgrade my Windows PC to Vista which I am going to keep as my desktop and have an Apple laptop. Hoping the MacBook won't give me any problems.

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #76 –
It's been a while, but since Vista has officially hit the store shelves and every tech store flier is trumpeting it's awesomeness, I thought I should dredge up this thread and recap and expand on this issue.
Sine my last post, I put the retail version of Vista on one of my partitions, and moved Linux onto my Pentium III machine.  I still cannot do too much with Vista because there is so little support for it still, but I finally got my Sound Blaster to work with a beta driver.
It's due for a good DEGAUSSIN'

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #77 –
Been running Home Premium for awhile, As solid as XP in terms of stability, Maybe even more (Bad bad NVidia drivers couldn't crash the system this OS around). Pretty shoddy graphic drivers and certain software support from companies like Apple, But it's all around a pretty good support sheet for Vista, Both software and hardware-wise

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #78 –
Quote from: ChaosBladE on
I find it really funny that people decide which OS to use on the toll of such minuscule features. Each to his own i guess. I like looking at thing on a bigger level.

bigger = (little good things - (little bad things * 5))
err... i'm not using windows any more ;)

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #79 –
.. And I've to find anything I'd call 'bad' in my day-to-day use (Aside from NVidia being useless).

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #80 –
A lot depends on the computer you try to run it on.  The RAM use has gone down since rc1...  About 20 megs...  Still around 450+ MB even in "Windows Classic" mode.  It runs decent for me because I have a P4 with 2GB of RAM but not everyone can afford that or even a new computer pre-loaded with Vista.  I've seen a lot of people put WinXP on a Pentium 2 machine because they couldn't get a new machine, but needed to upgrade the OS anyway, and I expect similar things with Vista- it will just be an even bigger pain when people need to upgrade on the Celeron E-machines budget-PC platform they thought was a good deal a year ago.
It's due for a good DEGAUSSIN'

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #81 –
Well, Vista adjusts memory usage to the physical amount installed, So I'm not sure how much we can compare based on the raw number.

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #82 –
The current marketing for Vista is crazy...

Beside that, I've read from computers sold with vista pre-installed that weren't able to run it properly.

Vista madness

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #83 –
Quote from: Hollunder on
The current marketing for Vista is crazy...

Beside that, I've read from computers sold with vista pre-installed that weren't able to run it properly.


I read somewhere that real soon, Dell won't be allowed to sell computers with Windows XP anymore, as per their agreements with Microsoft.


As about everything that is wrong with vista, this gentleman said better than I ever could:
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

I see no point in upgrading to Vista, honestly. I do have the hardware for that - Athlon 64 3000+, 4Gb RAM, GeForce 6600 GT - but it's not just because I have lots of resources that I will burn them away with bloat. And the far-reaching attacks against my privacy and my rights to do as I please with my PC (read Guttmann) are another nail in the coffin. Vista could probably be written off as the most expensive idiocy in history, and probably the one that spent the most time in the making. For now I'm staying with Win2000, and will probably migrate to Linux before I upgrade to another Windows version.



PS: I'm an intern at Microsoft, so I guess you can expect me to be biased :B
 

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #84 –
Quote from: rjamorim on
(read Guttmann)



I would suggest that you read the replies to Guttmann's article before you take anything at all from that article.
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J. D. (jj) Johnston

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #85 –
Quote from: Woodinville on
I would suggest that you read the replies to Guttmann's article before you take anything at all from that article.


Haha, yeah JJ, I read the Microsoft PR answer cleverly disguised as a "blog post". Didn't help me take Microsoft much more seriously.

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #88 –
Quote from: rjamorim on
Quote from: Woodinville on
I would suggest that you read the replies to Guttmann's article before you take anything at all from that article.


Haha, yeah JJ, I read the Microsoft PR answer cleverly disguised as a "blog post". Didn't help me take Microsoft much more seriously.


You seem somewhat confused about my name, and I would further suggest that you look quite a bit more deeply into Guttman's claims before you wax so enthusiastic.
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J. D. (jj) Johnston

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #89 –
Quote from: Woodinville on
Quote from: rjamorim on

Quote from: Woodinville on
I would suggest that you read the replies to Guttmann's article before you take anything at all from that article.


Haha, yeah JJ, I read the Microsoft PR answer cleverly disguised as a "blog post". Didn't help me take Microsoft much more seriously.


You seem somewhat confused about my name, and I would further suggest that you look quite a bit more deeply into Guttman's claims before you wax so enthusiastic.


Yeah, I am confused about your name, Mr. Johnston... 

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry384473

WHOOOPS!


And, let's be honest here, I'm not enthusiastic about Vista. Quite the opposite!
I did read Mr. Gutmann's article. It looked quite level headed and coherent to me - much better than the rambling whining you read from open source nerds at Slashdot against Vista. And, as far as I can perceive, that Microsoft blog post - I mean, press release - only confirmed most of Gutmann's claims, while trying to put them under some positive light.

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #90 –
Quote from: rjamorim on
Quote from: Woodinville on

Quote from: rjamorim on

Quote from: Woodinville on
I would suggest that you read the replies to Guttmann's article before you take anything at all from that article.


Haha, yeah JJ, I read the Microsoft PR answer cleverly disguised as a "blog post". Didn't help me take Microsoft much more seriously.


You seem somewhat confused about my name, and I would further suggest that you look quite a bit more deeply into Guttman's claims before you wax so enthusiastic.


Yeah, I am confused about your name, Mr. Johnston... 

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry384473

WHOOOPS!


And, let's be honest here, I'm not enthusiastic about Vista. Quite the opposite!
I did read Mr. Gutmann's article. It looked quite level headed and coherent to me - much better than the rambling whining you read from open source nerds at Slashdot against Vista. And, as far as I can perceive, that Microsoft blog post - I mean, press release - only confirmed most of Gutmann's claims, while trying to put them under some positive light.


That's too bad, then.

I suggest that you're a bit off on Gutmann's claims.
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J. D. (jj) Johnston

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #91 –
WTF? I get back from class and BOOM- THIS! 

Seriously, though, I've read anything that's shown up on Dvorak.org, PC Magazine, or CDFreaks on Vista for the past year, including Guttmann's 'longest suicide note in history' article and I find it all very intresting.  It's all quite amusing to see the MS-bashers and -apologists duke it out.  By the way, I went to Best Buy about 3 days after the Vista release and you CAN'T GET AN XP MACHINE THERE ANYMORE!

PS: Those who have called me out on RAM usage are free to provide numbers of their own on their various machines.  Over the next few weeks I'll probably have a whole dog and pony show of RAM use with various set-ups and with other programs running. 
It's due for a good DEGAUSSIN'

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #92 –
Quote from: OmniCbex on
WTF? I get back from class and BOOM- THIS! 

Seriously, though, I've read anything that's shown up on Dvorak.org, PC Magazine, or CDFreaks on Vista for the past year, including Guttmann's 'longest suicide note in history' article and I find it all very intresting.  It's all quite amusing to see the MS-bashers and -apologists duke it out.  By the way, I went to Best Buy about 3 days after the Vista release and you CAN'T GET AN XP MACHINE THERE ANYMORE!

PS: Those who have called me out on RAM usage are free to provide numbers of their own on their various machines.  Over the next few weeks I'll probably have a whole dog and pony show of RAM use with various set-ups and with other programs running. 



Well, I've seen quite a few claims, counterclaims, and the like, but it's interesting how much of what people assert are simply not backed up by even the lightest kind of evidence.  I mean, we don't even need a DBT here, it's pure measurement.
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J. D. (jj) Johnston

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #93 –
Quote from: Woodinville on
Well, I've seen quite a few claims, counterclaims, and the like, but it's interesting how much of what people assert are simply not backed up by even the lightest kind of evidence.  I mean, we don't even need a DBT here, it's pure measurement.


Here is all the evidence you need, JJ:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/strea...ut_protect.mspx

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #94 –
Quote from: rjamorim on
Quote from: Woodinville on
Well, I've seen quite a few claims, counterclaims, and the like, but it's interesting how much of what people assert are simply not backed up by even the lightest kind of evidence.  I mean, we don't even need a DBT here, it's pure measurement.


Here is all the evidence you need, JJ:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/strea...ut_protect.mspx


It's obvious that there's no reasoning with you. I would propose moving this exchange to the "hopeless" sector.

Having said that, you are welcome to continue to be rude and insulting, after all, I won't stop you.
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J. D. (jj) Johnston

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #95 –
Someone hates Vista more than me. 
I don't like the DRM either but the deal was broke long before that.  I am fimiliarizing myself with Vista because I plan to do PC support and I need to know the forced status quo, but I never plan on using it as my main OS.
I look at it as the content providers dropping a deuce into a toilet that the majority have been drinking from because they can't find water anywhere else and the majority is ignorant of the alternative methods of water-drinking.
If you didn't get that analogy, deuce = DRM, toilet water = Windows, drinking = using, and water anywhere else = Linux, Mac, and such.
It's due for a good DEGAUSSIN'

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #96 –
Quote from: Woodinville on
Having said that, you are welcome to continue to be rude and insulting, after all, I won't stop you.


What is "rude" typically depends on morals - and morals dont necessarily depend on rationality. As for insults: a frontal rationally valid statement which criticices someone is also an insult. Again, depending on morals it may be branded "rude".

The point: suggesting that being "rude" and "insulting" is bad, is a moral statement. But it isnt necessarily always true from a rational POV.

On other forums for example i am often called "rude", "insulting" and "arrogant"..... not because i'm treating others unfairly or because of proclaiming without delivering - but instead for exactly the opposite reason: i often overwhelm them with founded arguments and rationally valid reasoning - they feel threatened, turn hostile because they cannot handle themselves... and then project it on me "its your fault that i feel personally threatened". Thus, common sense is totally lost and the issue becomes an emotional one, not a rational one - because people cannot cope with being wrong and others being better than themselves.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #97 –
It will be interesting to see in a few years if vista is popular or not (or generally known to be good or bad).

I read somewhere that for most previous versions of windows, the hardware requirements were considered really big, like vista's are. I wonder if people also thought things like they are thinking now...

"Noones gonna use windows 98, it's way to bloated. Ill just use Windows 95 until it gets outdated then ill switch to Mac OS8."
And if you believe theres not a chance to die...

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #98 –
Quote from: Lyx on
The point: suggesting that being "rude" and "insulting" is bad, is a moral statement. But it isnt necessarily always true from a rational POV.



Or an ethical statement. But this is so far off topic I can't even see the OP.
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J. D. (jj) Johnston

Windows Vista Poll and Discussion

Reply #99 –
Quote from: Woodinville on
Having said that, you are welcome to continue to be rude and insulting, after all, I won't stop you.


Maybe you consider me "rude" for spilling out your real identity, but where precisely did I insult you?