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Poll

Which firmware do you use for your iPod?

Apple / Default iPod firmware
[ 78 ] (61.4%)
Rockbox
[ 47 ] (37%)
iPodLinux
[ 2 ] (1.6%)

Total Members Voted: 252

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: kennedyb4 on
Quote from: Big_Berny on

How long lasts the battery with Rockbox compared to original Apple system? Also about 16 hours?

Big_Berny


I was told 6 to 8 hours on a Nano.

For now, Rockbox cannot dynamically adjust the speed of the processor up and down as required the way the apple firmware does. It's part of the plan to activate this at some point but for now the CPU has to run at top speed with associated increased drain on the battery.


So atm that's the biggest con for me...

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: keytotime on
@krmathis
Rockbox has no intentions of adding HFS+ support. It's too much of a change. You can get a fat32 partion table for you iPod from:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main...ationFromMacOSX

I know there are no current plans to add HFS+ support to Rockbox. Cause the developers dont care about those who use other Apple hardware than iPod's as well!

I know how to apply a partition table and install Rockbox from Mac OS X, cause I wrote that part of the Wiki.
Tried it and reverted one day later, cause I use my iPod as an external drive and FAT32 dont support what I need. Like files larger than 4GB. 

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Reply #27 –
it really looks better with themes ... what i don't quite understand, is why dey don't duplicate the clickwheel functionality, which is crearly superior.

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: Mike Giacomelli on
Quote from: kwanbis on

what i don't quite understand, is why dey don't duplicate the clickwheel functionality, which is crearly superior.


What do you mean?

Probably acceleration related. Nobody in the Rockbox projet is interested in that.
[edit:]incomplete quote
Stupidity is root of all evil.

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Reply #30 –
no, i mean, in apples firmware, you press the upper part of the click wheel to go back, and the center to select (or go forward), when you are hearing a song, you press select, and you can move forward, or change rating, etc, etc,
etc. Rockbox works very diferently, they use the upper part to go to a menu, for example, you use the lowwer part of the click wheel to go to the playing song. In apple you press the upper part for 5 seconds, and it sleeps, in rockbox there is no sleep option (afaik). I'm now using rockbox on my ipod, mostly cause i like to drop folders, and then be able to play. But its better the way apples works, much more intuitive.

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Reply #31 –
It's just something to get used to like any interface  Took me a while but it's second nature now.

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Reply #32 –
the diference is that with the ipod, it takes 2 seconds, and it becomes second nature ... i have been "thinking" rockbox one for a day allready, and its far from second nature.

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Reply #33 –
Quote from: kennedyb4 on
Quote from: Big_Berny on

How long lasts the battery with Rockbox compared to original Apple system? Also about 16 hours?

Big_Berny


I was told 6 to 8 hours on a Nano.

For now, Rockbox cannot dynamically adjust the speed of the processor up and down as required the way the apple firmware does. It's part of the plan to activate this at some point but for now the CPU has to run at top speed with associated increased drain on the battery.


Rockbox can do this as of about a month ago.  It doesn't matter too much for playing music anyway because the cpu runs flat out anyway.

Quote from: krmathis on
Quote from: keytotime on

@krmathis
Rockbox has no intentions of adding HFS+ support. It's too much of a change. You can get a fat32 partion table for you iPod from:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main...ationFromMacOSX

I know there are no current plans to add HFS+ support to Rockbox. Cause the developers dont care about those who use other Apple hardware than iPod's as well!


iPodLinux has HFS+ support now.  So I wouldn't be that surprised to see it in Rockbox sometime.

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Reply #34 –
Quote from: krmathis on
I use the original iPod firmware.
Will continue to do so until the Rockbox developers add HFS+ support, for Mac formatted iPod's!

Ditto. It's not useable for me until it works with Mac formatted iPods.

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Reply #35 –
Quote from: negritot on
Quote from: krmathis on

I use the original iPod firmware.
Will continue to do so until the Rockbox developers add HFS+ support, for Mac formatted iPod's!

Ditto. It's not useable for me until it works with Mac formatted iPods.


As posted above, it does work with Mac formated Ipods, provided you convert them to fat32.

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iPodLinux has HFS+ support now. So I wouldn't be that surprised to see it in Rockbox sometime.


Maybe.  Lots of much more useful Ipodlinux stuff hasn't been ported (3G DAC driver for instance).  Unfortunately, the ipod port hasn't attracted very many developers.

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Reply #36 –
Quote from: Mike Giacomelli on
As posted above, it does work with Mac formated Ipods, provided you convert them to fat32.
But then the iPod will no longer be Mac formatted, since you've applied a partition table and filesystem identical to a Windows formatted one. 

Quote from: Bonzi on
iPodLinux has HFS+ support now.  So I wouldn't be that surprised to see it in Rockbox sometime.
I sure hope you're right.

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Reply #37 –
Quote from: kwanbis on
i like rockbox playing capabilities, and that it doesn't makes me use iTunes, but i don't like the current GUI (i prefer apple one). So i'm for the moment at apple's.


There are plenty of skins here

http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery

Quote from: Big_Berny on
How long lasts the battery with Rockbox compared to original Apple system? Also about 16 hours?

Big_Berny


Battery test results here

http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime

Quote from: krmathis on
Tried it and reverted one day later, cause I use my iPod as an external drive and FAT32 dont support what I need. Like files larger than 4GB. 


I dont have any files that big, what sort of files are you using?

(my first post )

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Reply #38 –
Quote from: mnhnhyouh on
Quote from: krmathis on
Tried it and reverted one day later, cause I use my iPod as an external drive and FAT32 dont support what I need. Like files larger than 4GB. 
I dont have any files that big, what sort of files are you using?
Various disk images (DVD movies, etc)

Quote from: mnhnhyouh on
(my first post )
Welcome to Hydrogenaudio.
One of the most addictive forums out there... 
 

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Reply #40 –
Quote from: krmathis on
Various disk images (DVD movies, etc)


You can make a HFS+ partition, just make sure you make the FAT32 partition the primary one and put the Rockbox stuff in there.....

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Reply #41 –
mnhnhyouh. Lets end this discussion.
I wont use Rockbox until it support the primary filesystem used by the same company that produce the actual iPod. End of story!

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Reply #42 –
Quote from: krmathis on
mnhnhyouh. Lets end this discussion.
I wont use Rockbox until it support the primary filesystem used by the same company that produce the actual iPod. End of story!


You are free to step away from this discussion, although I suspect it was not initiated with your specific opinion in mind.

I'm the one in the picture, sitting on a giant cabbage in Mexico, circa 1978.
Reseñas de Rock en Español: www.estadogeneral.com

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Reply #43 –
Bear in mind that Rockbox is in a feature freeze right now in preparation for release of version 3.0, which is for Archos and iriver players.  The 3.0 release is currently scheduled for May 15, with the possibility that it will be pushed to May 29.  I suspect that when the feature freeze is over, you will see significant progress on the iPod port.

I bought my iPod 5G specifically for using Rockbox.  I wouldn't have bought it otherwise.  After using Rockbox on both an iriver H100 and H300, I find the interface on the iPod to be completely intuitive.  But I've spent a total of maybe 10 minutes using the iPod interface with iPod firmware, so I was really not that familiar with the iPod clickwheel functionality.

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Reply #44 –
Apple firmware. I realize the benefits Rockbox has, but for me it still doesn't tip the scales -- most of my collection is mp3 and I don't require gapless. But the biggest paradigm shift for me personally was the switch from using foobar 2000 to itunes, which I tried to resist, but I realized that it's serving me well and meeting my day to day needs.

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Reply #45 –
Quote from: singaiya on
Apple firmware. I realize the benefits Rockbox has, but for me it still doesn't tip the scales -- most of my collection is mp3 and I don't require gapless. But the biggest paradigm shift for me personally was the switch from using foobar 2000 to itunes, which I tried to resist, but I realized that it's serving me well and meeting my day to day needs.


Try foo_pod.

You have to keep using 0.8.3, though, but it is no big deal.
I'm the one in the picture, sitting on a giant cabbage in Mexico, circa 1978.
Reseñas de Rock en Español: www.estadogeneral.com

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Reply #46 –
Quote from: krmathis on
mnhnhyouh. Lets end this discussion.
I wont use Rockbox until it support the primary filesystem used by the same company that produce the actual iPod. End of story!


Sorry, I was just trying to understand why you didnt want to use it. I dont mind if you dont, your use of it doesnt affect how my music sounds, I am just interested.

I thought the filesize thing was the problem, and posted a solution.

I guess it must be something else.

And I am still interested in what that is, but then I am a curious cat

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Reply #47 –
mnhnhyouh. No need to be sorry!
My main point is that HFS+ is a better file system than FAT32, and work a lot better with Mac OS X than FAT32 will ever do. But I guess thats hard to understand for a Windows? user... 

The limited file size in FAT32 was just mentioned as an example of the limitation. But there are lots more.
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems

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Reply #48 –
Quote from: krmathis on
mnhnhyouh. No need to be sorry!
My main point is that HFS+ is a better file system than FAT32, and work a lot better with Mac OS X than FAT32 will ever do. But I guess thats hard to understand for a Windows? user... 

The limited file size in FAT32 was just mentioned as an example of the limitation. But there are lots more.
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems


Come on krm, HFS+ is just so over 

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Reply #49 –
Quote from: krmathis on
mnhnhyouh. No need to be sorry!
My main point is that HFS+ is a better file system than FAT32, and work a lot better with Mac OS X than FAT32 will ever do. But I guess thats hard to understand for a Windows? user... 


I see that there are a lot more uses for HFS+ than FAT32, but I am wondering why most of these are needed on a DAP, and if they are, why a partition for them wont solve your reservations?



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