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Do you feel yourself more comfortable while playing Vorbis instead mp3?

Yes, I do. I even prefer Vorbis Q6 instead Mp3 320 where I get such or similar choice.
[ 36 ] (31.9%)
Erm, yes, generally. I just feel like *Vorbis got near perfect sound and I have no doubt about it*.
[ 27 ] (23.9%)
No. I feel OK. There is no any difference to me what i'm playing Vorbis or anything else.
[ 35 ] (31%)
No. But I've seen some people with the placebo. They're mad.
[ 15 ] (13.3%)

Total Members Voted: 160

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Psychological side of playing Vorbis

Hi.
I was playing my usual playlist and noticed that I'm trying to stay within Vorbis, I prefer Vorbis even where I can't hear any difference. I'm just feel more comfortable myself while playing Vorbis. I know, it's not a very serious poll, but I'd like to know how much of people with similar placebo around and where it came from. Yes, I'm a Vorbis fan, but I'm fan of Vorbis more because of it's free than because it got higher quality to me. Looks like I passed FAN>DIEHARDFAN stage on a lowest brain level or something?

Psychological side of playing Vorbis

Reply #1 –
I use Vorbis because it plays gaplessly on my portable player, has pretty decent sound at ~120kbps, and...  no frustrating sfb21 issue as mp3 has 

However, these Vorbis files are generated on-the-fly from higher-bitrate Musepack or lossless files, before getting transferred to my player. So I don't need "fuzzy feeling" about Vorbis, just efficiency 

Edit: so I voted null. Not a very interesting poll to me..

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I use Vorbis because it plays gaplessly on my portable player, has pretty decent sound at ~120kbps, and...  no frustrating sfb21 issue as mp3 has  

However, these Vorbis files are generated on-the-fly from higher-bitrate Musepack or lossless files, before getting transferred to my player. So I don't need "fuzzy feeling" about Vorbis, just efficiency 

Edit: so I voted null. Not a very interesting poll to me..
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Wow. Exactly my thoughts.
I also use Vorbis -q4.25 files on my portable player, transcoded from Musepack or lossless sources.
"To understand me, you'll have to swallow a world." Or maybe your words.

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No. But I've seen some people with the placebo. They're mad. 

Psychological side of playing Vorbis

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Which portable players do you have?

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,Apr 12 2005, 11:44 AM]No. But I've seen some people with the placebo. They're mad.  
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What placebo?   

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Reply #6 –
haha, i get *exactly* that feeling
especially with ogg q6 being my format of choice, plays on mah iriver (which recently is used mostly as a gameboy emulator, these rockbox guys are insanely genius)...

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What placebo?   
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However, these Vorbis files are generated on-the-fly from higher-bitrate Musepack or lossless files, before getting transferred to my player. So I don't need "fuzzy feeling" about Vorbis, just efficiency 
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Wow. Exactly my thoughts.
I also use Vorbis -q4.25 files on my portable player, transcoded from Musepack or lossless sources.
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Heh, seems like a common practice, "Me too!" Although I use -q5 with some of the additional switches in Vorbis 1.1 to counter pre-echo.

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Which portable players do you have?
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Latexxx: I have a Rio Karma. It works well, I can recommend it (although I believe it's a discontinued model now).

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Wow. Exactly my thoughts.
I also use Vorbis -q4.25 files on my portable player, transcoded from Musepack or lossless sources.


I've used -q3.5 so far 

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Heh, seems like a common practice, "Me too!" Although I use -q5 with some of the additional switches in Vorbis 1.1 to counter pre-echo.

It's probably useless at my lowish -q3.5, but I'm just curious:  which switches do you use to reduce pre-echo ?

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Reply #10 –
From my side I prefer Vorbis, I'm a fan mostly because is free and opensource.

The exelent quality is another important reason because I love Vorbis, I prefer encode my music at Q2 ~ 96kbps, that encode to MP3 at 160kbps. 
JorSol
aoTuVb5 -q4

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It's probably useless at my lowish -q3.5, but I'm just curious: which switches do you use to reduce pre-echo ?


I would say for common place encoding -q 4 range is solid, but it depends on what type of music you are encoding whether or not you should use lower -q values. I find that if I were going to encode a song or piece with an acoustic guitar in it you really need those impulse_noisetune and trigger profiles they make a worldwind of a difference. -q 2 range is solid for streaming and even portable listening. Anything lower than that you really need to get used of the way Vorbis reconstructs high-frequency noise I still prefer it over sfb21 issue, but in ABX reference test for a lot of people it can be troublesome. Anything past -q 5 is just overkill or rather should be indistinguishable, although I am sure their are still some common place problems for most part.
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Reply #12 –
Vorbis makes my lips numb, so I had to stop using it.  I think it was because I was holding it in my mouth next to the placebo.   

But seriously, I almost exclusively use Vorbis on my PDA (AoTuV -q 3), and it satisfies my needs quite well listening with Sony earbuds.  But that's only 512 MB's worth at a time.  I'll also occasionally use Vorbis for a listening test.

My entire collection is encoded in FLAC and resides on a 400 GB portable hard drive, because I'm most interested in lossless archival, clean source transcoding (for a wide variety of testing), hardware compatibility and portability.
Sometimes you have to jump off the cliff and build your wings on the way down.

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My entire collection is encoded in FLAC and resides on a 400 GB portable hard drive, because I'm most interested in lossless archival, clean source transcoding (for a wide variety of testing), hardware compatibility and portability.


That's the way I would go if I had more HD space. 
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My entire collection is encoded in FLAC and resides on a 400 GB portable hard drive, because I'm most interested in lossless archival, clean source transcoding (for a wide variety of testing), hardware compatibility and portability.


That's the way I would go if I had more HD space. 
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I wish I could afford 400 GB, let alone 40...   

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Do you feel yourself more comfortable while playing Vorbis instead mp3?
No, but I do when playing lossless, though I'm aware that I can't ABX with mp3 @ 128-160 (depending on the music)

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Vorbis got near perfect patents and I have no doubt about it.  (could be a paceboed reply  )

note: lossy suckz ! 

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heh... (26+19+12) > 28

looks like I'm one of the majority

I guess such psychological affect is a norm. And I guess such effect could be used by big corporations to promote their stuff, perhaps ain't perfect stuff..

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And I guess such effect could be used by big corporations to promote their stuff, perhaps ain't perfect stuff..
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