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DVD ripping

This is my first post here.

I have many concerts on DVDs so I decided to rip my favorite songs. I got DVD Audio Ripper 1.0.17. It isn't great, cause it's doesn't accurately find the exact beginning and the ending of a song, so I have to rip the entire concert as one audio file and then split it into songs.

Now I encode some songs into MP3s and then I use MP3 Gain to avoid clipping. The software is supposed to be lossless, although when I play the files in WMP 10 they sounded a bit weird, although I didn't allow MP3 Gain to put tags into the files.

My main problem is how to make Audio CDs from the songs I ripped off DVDs without clipping. What software should I use? If it's not lossless should I stick with clipping??

Glen Sawyer, the developer of MP3 Gain suggested WaveGain or Volumax. So I got them both. The problem is when I set the volume of a wave file to its maximum non-clipping point in Volumax and then calculate the gain in WaveGain it shows around -3 dB. Why so much?

Or should I use normalisation of softwares like AudioGrabber? In that case how high the percentage should be?

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Reply #1 –
Using MP3gain is just fine and using it will not result in a weird sounding file, just a quieter one.
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This is my first post here.

I have many concerts on DVDs so I decided to rip my favorite songs. I got DVD Audio Ripper 1.0.17. It isn't great, cause it's doesn't accurately find the exact beginning and the ending of a song, so I have to rip the entire concert as one audio file and then split it into songs.
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Get a better SW, but I can't suggest it to you

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Now I encode some songs into MP3s and then I use MP3 Gain to avoid clipping. The software is supposed to be lossless, although when I play the files in WMP 10 they sounded a bit weird, although I didn't allow MP3 Gain to put tags into the files.
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I may be wrong but the problem should be that in fact the audio singnal in DVD format is basically lossy compressed, so MP3's you've made are transcoded.
If I'm wrong please correct me...

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My main problem is how to make Audio CDs from the songs I ripped off DVDs without clipping. What software should I use? If it's not lossless should I stick with clipping??
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When you make a CD-DA from audio signal from DVD, AFAIK there's no need to lower the volume to aviod clipping... Except the clipping introduced by the conversion, but that's a problem of wrong SW...
If I'm wrong please correct me...

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Glen Sawyer, the developer of MP3 Gain suggested WaveGain or Volumax. So I got them both. The problem is when I set the volume of a wave file to its maximum non-clipping point in Volumax and then calculate the gain in WaveGain it shows around -3 dB. Why so much?

Or should I use normalisation of softwares like AudioGrabber? In that case how high the percentage should be?
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I'm not able to respond to your last 2 questions...
Sorry for my poor English, I'm trying to get better... ;)
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Was the audio source lpcm or pcm? From my experience pcm demuxes into ac3(lossy) and lcpm demuxes into wav(lossless).

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Now I encode some songs into MP3s and then I use MP3 Gain to avoid clipping. The software is supposed to be lossless, although when I play the files in WMP 10 they sounded a bit weird, although I didn't allow MP3 Gain to put tags into the files.
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Which bitrate did you use for the mp3 files?

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Was the audio source lpcm or pcm? From my experience pcm demuxes into ac3(lossy) and lcpm demuxes into wav(lossless).
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As I get it Audio Ripper only supports LPCM.

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I only got Audio Ripper cause I wanted to rip the two Ricky Nelson songs from Rio Bravo, and since the movie is 45 years old I figuered any decent software will do it.

I want perfection when I rip my concerts. But like I said I'm not much satisfied with the result I got with Audio Ripper, but that can be - like you said - due to the fact that audio singnal in DVD format is lossy compressed.

I used LAME 1.32 (engine 3.97) encoder on 192 kbps, stereo, high quality. Audio was reduced from 48 KHz to 44.1 KHz in high quality by Audio Ripper.

So can anybody suggest better software that isn't expensive?

Thanks for the help y'all!

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The sound quality however is fine. I need a software that would allow me to grab the entire audio as one file and than I need software that would allow me to split it into tracks without any quality loss, if such software exsists at all.

I use a total recorder,it will allow you to record all show in one file..It will record in a wav,mp3 or ogg.Also it has inbuilt feature for splitting tracks but i doubt is good.You can record in a wave and use foobar to convert to mp3.
It has been said that nero cant do a gapless,so i would advise you to use a foobar`s diskwriter with Lame3.90.3.It will produce a 100% gapless output,and afaik thats the only 100 % proven solution regarding mp3

Edit: Regarding editing-spliting of files,when you record that wave any editor will do a decent job.
Also Latexxx solution is excelent

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OK, Give me a few days to try out all the options I got and I'll report back what worked best for me. I thank you all!

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I just used DVD Audio Extractor this past week to rip the audio from the new 311 dvd.  It performed flawlessly for the start and finish of tracks.  Except i feel like there is extra length in wav format on the end of each track.  I then proceeded to use Lame Drop to encode into APS.

They are quieter, but they sound great.  Overall i found the program incredibly easy to use and it did the tracks beautiful just like the dvd.  I was hoping i could find a great program like EAC for DVD to rip the tracks and then i would be happy.  This is the best medium i can think of?  Another Problem.  I tried to put the wavs into MKW to make SHN files and it didnt work.  So that is a problem with the output wavs of the program.

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This is my first post here.

I have many concerts on DVDs so I decided to rip my favorite songs. I got DVD Audio Ripper 1.0.17. It isn't great, cause it's doesn't accurately find the exact beginning and the ending of a song, so I have to rip the entire concert as one audio file and then split it into songs.

Now I encode some songs into MP3s and then I use MP3 Gain to avoid clipping. The software is supposed to be lossless, although when I play the files in WMP 10 they sounded a bit weird, although I didn't allow MP3 Gain to put tags into the files.

My main problem is how to make Audio CDs from the songs I ripped off DVDs without clipping. What software should I use? If it's not lossless should I stick with clipping??

Glen Sawyer, the developer of MP3 Gain suggested WaveGain or Volumax. So I got them both. The problem is when I set the volume of a wave file to its maximum non-clipping point in Volumax and then calculate the gain in WaveGain it shows around -3 dB. Why so much?

Or should I use normalisation of softwares like AudioGrabber? In that case how high the percentage should be?
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I rip music and soundbytes from DVDs frequently.  Here is what I do:

Use ImToo DVD audio extractor (they are up to version 1.0.30.1018) to extract the enite audio section you are interested in to a .wav file.  Make sure you extract to 44.1KHz stereo and not AC3 or 5.1 or something funky.  Try a small sample and test it right away before moving on.
I'm not to worried about having it "snap" to the beginning of tracks or chapters because I just use a quality wave editor.  Getting the audio off the DVD is the "hard" part.  Cutting up the tracks is the easy part.

Once I have the wave file ripped, I load it into [a href="http://www.goldwave.com/]GoldWave[/url].  You can zoom in to hundredths of a second if you want and set markers or cue points.  You can then set the start and finish markers to cue points you have created and then save to a seperate file.  Even live shows are gapless when you set the start marker of file 2 to the same finish marker of file 1.  When you have all of your individual files you can delete the original large file.  Making a gapless cd is easy from here.  I use Nero but not for audio.  I use EAC for writing audio cd's, plus you can insert CD-text.  You don't have to worry about clipping with the .wav files you have, only when you compress them.

Once you have the wave files making quality mp3's with EAC and lame or whatever is SOP.

MP3Gain is great.  I've never heard clipping without it, but I use it religiously anyway to set the volume level of my mp3s to around the same level (My music tastes dictate that around 93dB is ideal for me).  Its never made my MP3's sound "wierd".  Must be your compression options or source, try lame 3.96.1 or 3.90.3 --preset standard

Normalization?  Audio tracks from Concert DVDs should be stellar quality as is.  With the wav files just burn them to a cd and you are done.  If you also make mp3s, run MP3Gain and you are done.

I've ripped concerts, funny clips from DVDs, as well as stuff from the TIVO using the line in on the PC after creating a 5 or 10 minute wav file with GoldWave.  Using GoldWave you just trim off the beginning and ending and set cue points in the middle - simple.

Besides GoldWave, other quality wave editors are Cool Edit Pro (which is now Adobe Audition) and WaveLab - $$$

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Indeed GoldWave turned out to be a very interesting software. It's very good for setting precise cue points (and there's an option 'save selection as' that allows you to encode the selection into mp3 format) and you'll find it useful for many other things that aren't related to this topic.

At the end DVD Audio Ripper turned out to be better that other programs I tried for quality audio extracting. However there is one thing that is confusing me and that is the Volume option in the Input Audio settings. How high should it be? Does it matter at all if I use MP3Gain at the end??

Also there's an option for converting from 48KHz to 44.1KHz which is good for people who have audio cards that can't handle 48KHz well and who don't have much HDD space.

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Last year I promised that I'll report back once I find a way to extract DVD audio and compress it into mp3 and be satisfied with the results.

For making 5.1 mp3s I used DVD Audio Extractor that can extract audio as 5.1 .wav files with Fraunhofer IIS MP3 Surround encoder. The only setting available is joint-5.1 192 CBR. The size of the output file is similar to the tipical 2-channel 192 CBR mp3.

For making stereo (or joint-stereo) mp3s I used ImTOO DVD Audio Ripper with 48 > 41.000 Hz conversion to extract all audio content as one big .wav file in order to avoid gaps between the tracks and then I encoded the file using LAME VBR preset (--alt-preset standard).

The next step was making a cue-file using mp3Trim PRO 1.80. On ctrl+G command it generates a .cue file that I edited with notepad for more accuracate position of tracks. On ctrl+U the program reades the .cue file and saves each track separately in a generated folder.

the sample of the .cue file:

FILE "C:\Documents and Settings\genius\Desktop\Yves DeRuyter - Born slippy [vocal remix].cue" BINARY
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 02:51:78
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 04:17:88

I've also noticed that when I compare the results of the two ways of extracting/encoding DVD audio the volume isn't the same. I wonder if it has anything to do with the preset LAME command line I used?

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For making 5.1 mp3s [...]
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Why would you want to make 5.1ch MP3's?

It's an experimental branch of MP3. Nothing supports it. Might as well make 5.1ch Ogg Vorbis files. You'd probably get better quality per bitrate as well.