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New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #1 –
i just tried this and it works fine

any idea if there's a readme somewhere in english?? i'm only getting japanese [i think] here

cheers, tonderai

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #2 –
This sounds seriously cool.  I've been waiting for something like this for ages..  now I just need to hook my Delta1010 back up

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #3 –
It works on SBLive! / Audigy using kX drivers.

But, at least here, I can't control the volume using Winamp's volume slider. Does it help with everybody else?

It seems to be very beta. Maybe it's worth waiting for a more stable version.

Besides, does anybody has any opinion why I should give up playing through DS and switch to ASIO?

Regards;

Roberto.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #4 –
Well I'm having problems with shorten and flac...

Shorten will play and pause, but stop and skip song (forwards and backwards) freeze winamp. Playing flac files freezes winamp, too...

win98se
winamp2.80a with peter's update pack
ap2496
asio version 0.11

Any help is much appreciated...

Is the source for this thing open (not that I could do anything with it, but there are many here who could)...

fwiw, the difference is audible...

Thanks.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #5 –
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Originally posted by macdaddy
Shorten will play and pause, but stop and skip song (forwards and backwards) freeze winamp. Playing flac files freezes winamp, too...


Keep in mind that that ASIO plugin is still beta. If you are experiencing problems, you should switch back to out_wave

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Is the source for this thing open


No.

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fwiw, the difference is audible...


Placebo, eh?

From Steinberg:

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ASIO is a standardized way of describing the communication between audio software and a piece of audio hardware. It enables audio hardware manufacturers to write optimized drivers for their hardware that bypass the potentially high latency operating system mechanism for supporting audio hardware. This OS support is also often only stereo because of its multimedia background. For a user, the knowledge that an ASIO driver exists for a particular piece of hardware, is a sign that there will be a performance boost, compared with the same audio card configured to use the Operating System's own mechanism, and often an accompanying latency reduction, shown by reduced monitoring delays.


What means: It can slightly reduce latency and delay, because it bypasses most of Windows' audio mechanisms, but it absolutely doesn't improves audio quality.

Regards;

Roberto.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #6 –
Not to mention that the benefits from low latency at normal multimedia use are highly debatable.

Sure, ASIO kills, maims and murders when using softsynths (preferably Propellerheads or Steinberg ), but with media players...

It absolutely doesn't matter whether it takes 300ms or 11ms for Winamp to output audio after pressing the Play button.

And besides, some soundcards' multiclient and WDM drivers are extremely poor (like with my EWX24/96). That might actually matter to some people.

Edit:

ASIO/DX multiclients and WDM ASIO's that is. Just out of interest, I'll have to check how this plugin deals with my lousy VIA-chipped motherboard. Generally I get incrediable amounts of crackling when using ASIO w/ Win2K (WDM).

VIA + soundcard = snap/crackle/pop/hiss/hammer-to-motherboard

Edit2:

Goddamn, it was for Delta cards only. Better get some sleep...

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #7 –
as for the placebo effect, maybe I wasn't clear enough...

when compared to the ssrc_wavout plugin, set to resample to 88.2KHz, the ASIO sounds different. You can claim I am full of sh*t for saying I hear a difference, but I did some abx-like tests (with someone else runnning the machine, switching between the plugins) and I could determine the source 8/10 times, and we ran the test twice...

don't know how to explain it, but I am not making this up. The abx runs should quash the placebo theories...

more info here (avs thread)...

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #8 –
AFAIK, ASIO does not resample, which means that it outputs the signal in the format that is is generated. (Low latency and (good)resampling are quite opposite things).

If you hear a difference between the ASIO, and waveout with resampling, either the resampling or a faulty windows kmixer is the reason.
(Maybe related: Windows 2K kmixer does not play 24 or 32bit signals, just the top 16bits of them. This has been fixed in Win2k SP3).

Don't get us wrong. If there's a fault, it is not in the output plugin. That's what we say here. Go on, find the cause.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #9 –
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Originally posted by macdaddy
don't know how to explain it, but I am not making this up. The abx runs should quash the placebo theories...


DirectSound output plugin is known to output a lower level signal. Are you absolutely sure that the two output plugins you are comparing produce exactly the same output levels? Many positive blind tests are not valid for not taking into account this "small" detail.

However, if levels are the same, the difference could then be due to internal kmixer resampling... but Win98SE has no kmixer... (?)

So, in Win98 SE, plain waveout and ASIO output plugins should produce exactly the same signal, bit for bit identical. Waveout does not modify played signal at all, I still haven't tested ASIO output plugin.

As to SSRC wave output plugin, I don't think the difference with plain waveoutput plugin is easily perceivable, or perceivable at all, on quality non-resampling cards.

I think that the only advantage of using ASIO output plugin would be to bypass kmixer resampling on Win2K and WinXP machines.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #10 –
Hi !

Media jukebox from J River also has a ASIO output plugin now.

Media Jukebox ASIO

Osho

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #11 –
rjamorim,

I am having problems with my SBlive card and output to a Dolby Digital / DTS decoder.  I used the KX Drivers and the asio plugin for winamp but my DTS cd's will not play.  They appear to be playing in winamp, but I get no signal to my decoder.

Any suggestion?

Jim

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #12 –
Quote
Originally posted by macdaddy
Well I'm having problems with shorten and flac...

Shorten will play and pause, but stop and skip song (forwards and backwards) freeze winamp. Playing flac files freezes winamp, too...

win98se
winamp2.80a with peter's update pack
ap2496
asio version 0.11

Any help is much appreciated...

Is the source for this thing open (not that I could do anything with it, but there are many here who could)...

fwiw, the difference is audible...

Thanks.


Try Win2k and new delta wdm drivers i tested it and result stable and audible clearest....

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #13 –
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Originally posted by [JAZ]
AFAIK, ASIO does not resample, which means that it outputs the signal in the format that is is generated. (Low latency and (good)resampling are quite opposite things).

If you hear a difference between the ASIO, and waveout with resampling, either the resampling or a faulty windows kmixer is the reason.
(Maybe related: Windows 2K kmixer does not play 24 or 32bit signals, just the top 16bits of them. This has been fixed in Win2k SP3).

Don't get us wrong. If there's a fault, it is not in the output plugin. That's what we say here. Go on, find the cause.


This out plugin works fine for M-Audio delta familly cards drivers in use Delta_wdm_510027.EXE and W2K SP2  bit depth 8-16-24bit /all samplerates and 32bit int and floating point is resulted any sound... Problem is in drivers... ver wdm xxxx..26 supported only 16bit in W2K and vxd versions in W98SE 24bit and 32bit very bad or not.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #14 –
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Originally posted by vfrjim
I am having problems with my SBlive card and output to a Dolby Digital / DTS decoder.  I used the KX Drivers and the asio plugin for winamp but my DTS cd's will not play.  They appear to be playing in winamp, but I get no signal to my decoder.


Hummm... play the CDs in PowerDVD. :-/

I wonder if there's a plugin that does SP/DIF output for Winamp.

New output plugin for Delta cards (ASIO)

Reply #15 –
Just yesterday I played an dts-wave-ape through Winamp 2.8.

You know, dts sound as wave, which was compressed losslessly by Monkeys....
results to 10% smaller files on HD.

My soundcard: terratec EWX 2496, WinXP.

From EWX via 5 m optical cable to receiver which is able to decode dts to 5 channels.

At first attempt I got only noise.

But of course I had switched my sound scheme in winXP to digitally wave out of EWX (I have 2 soundcards, SB for system sounds, PC-speaker, ordinary use;  EWX 2496 for Hifi, DAT -> HD,  ...)

So what was wrong ?

Winamp -> setting of options -> preference -> winamp output -> winamp2 waveout plug-in 1.03  (outwave.dll) ->configure -> device -> (wrong: windows soundmapper; correct: wave spdif)

There you have to deselect Windows soundmapper to your soundcard with digital output directly (eg.: EWX 2496 wave s/pdif) .


So the Windows soundmapper is able to distort the signal !!!!