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PS2 or Xbox?

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from the moment i soo the news, i knew i couldnt resist ... one less to confirm

[a href="http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm]XBOX Official Specs[/url]


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Erm... it hasn't ever been a mistery that MS would use Power970 on the XBox successor. It was known for monts or years before you posted about it. What I keep wondering is about Sony's Cell architecture.

And I won't comment on hardware capabilities before I look at the PS3 official specs.

Last but not least, we all know horse power alone is not enough. Both the XBox and the Game Cube are more powerful than the PS2, and we know how this competition went...

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jeje .. i still can't confirm you some insider info  ... yes ... of course ... we know how VHS beat betamax ...

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we know how VHS beat betamax ...
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Right. It's not only about how many polygons the GPU can pump per second. It is also related to marketing, the love each brand inspires on customers, support, third party addons and, most of all, the game offerings.

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i totally agree.

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Oh, no, dude. That goes against our national laws. An Argentinian agreeing with a Brazilian is high treason.

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right! i'm gonna edit previous post to change it to "not agree"
 

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Reply #56 –
Most often it is about the cheapest product.

VHS machines were cheaper.

Then they threw in more companies putting their movies on VHS.

Game over man !!!  Game over !!!

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What I keep wondering is about Sony's Cell architecture. And I won't comment on hardware capabilities before I look at the PS3 official specs.




Wireless controllers, connection to the PSP and a powerful new graphics processor technology: Take a look at the PlayStation 3's performance specifications as provided by Sony.

CPU: Cell Processor
• PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
• 1 VMX vector unit per core
• 512KB L2 cache
• 7 x SPE @3.2GHz
• 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
• 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
• 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
• total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU
• RSX @550MHz
• 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
• Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
• Multi-way programmable parallel pipelines

Sound
• Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory
• 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
• 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth
• Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
• VRAM: 22.4GB/s
• RSX: 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s(read)
• SB: 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance
• 2 TFLOPS

Storage
• HDD: Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O
• USB: Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
• Memory Stick: standard/Duo, PRO x 1
• SD: standard/mini x 1
• CompactFlash: (Type I, II) x 1

Communication
• Ethernet: (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
• Wi-Fi: IEEE 802.11 b/g
• Bluetooth: Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller
• Bluetooth:(up to 7)
• USB2.0: (wired)
• Wi-Fi: (PSP)
• Network: (over IP)

AV Output
• Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
• HDMI: HDMI out x 2
• Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
• Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc media
• CD: PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM
• CD-DA: CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW
• SACDL: SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD
• DualDisc: DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
• DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PLAYSTATION 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video (DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW), Blu-ray Disc (PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE)

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I wonder whether it is 1080p30 or 1080p60.

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The controller is horrendous

HOW COULD YOU, SONY?


Anyway...

Oh well, at least the specs are swell and design is OK.

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The controller is horrendous
Oh well, at least the specs are swell and design is OK.
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Controller:
The controller is giving me a migraine headache, where's that Excedrin bottle at. My biggest gripe about the current PS2 controller is it's size, I don't really have big hands but would like the analog buttons further apart from each other.

Specs:
System specifications look good, as does the design.

To me system specs are seeming more cryptic these days, and not as simply explained as when the DreamCast, GameCube, XBOX, and PS2 were released. Well at least it will take game/content developers several years to learn how to push the new systems.

I will be doing exactly as I did before; I will wait for each manufacturer to release their systems, and then do a comparo not only of the specs/capabilities, but the games, and then decide which one I'll empty my wallet for.

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The controller is horrendous

HOW COULD YOU, SONY?


Anyway...

Oh well, at least the specs are swell and design is OK.
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the controller looks a bit awkward indeed...it's hard to believe that this is the final shape...I would imagine that one will poke himself in the stomach all the time...how am I supposed to grab that thing anyway?!
--alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
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Controller:
The controller is giving me a migraine headache, where's that Excedrin bottle at. My biggest gripe about the current PS2 controller is it's size, I don't really have big hands but would like the analog buttons further apart from each other.


I just love the current controller design. Best controller I ever held in my hands, and I held pretty much all that came out since the NES.

I hope they will offer the old controller design as an alternative to that misshapen disgrace.

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To me system specs are seeming more cryptic these days, and not as simply explained as when the DreamCast, GameCube, XBOX, and PS2 were released. Well at least it will take game/content developers several years to learn how to push the new systems.


Right. I found this "explanation" at heise.de. A friend that lives in Germany provided the translation and comments:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59548

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The XBox uses one 64-bit PowerPC CPU with three cores, which clock at 3.2 GHz. These should be able to execute 9 billion dot product operations per second, so one operation per AltiVec-Unit and cycle. A dot product operation is usually made of five floating point operations (three multiplications and two additions) which results in a power of 45 Giga-FLOP per second. If you compare this to a Pentium 4 which reaches 15.2 G-FLOP/s at 3.8 GHz or a PowerPC970, which reaches 21.1 G-FLOP/s at 2.7 GHz, you will find that the XBox is pretty fast. However, the CELL-Processor in the Playstation 3 uses eight parallel units and would theoretically reach 256 G-FLOP/s at 4 GHz. Even if the PS 3 clocks at 2 GHz, it would still be faster than the XBox 360.
If one wants to place the XBox 360 in the list of the 500 fastest computers, he wouldn't be allowed to use the 1 T-FLOP/s value from Microsoft because this will only be reached when the GPU uses its 48 parallel shader pipelines in an optimal way. Also, Microsoft's 1 T-FLOP/s is based on single precision calculation, the list however requires double precision.

The rest of the heise page describes that the XBox' advantages are the very fast GDDR3 memories and the high-end graphics card. The disadvantage is that it uses a regular 12x DVD-ROM drive - a HD-DVD or a Blu-Ray disk woul've been better.



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the controller looks a bit awkward indeed...it's hard to believe that this is the final shape...I would imagine that one will poke himself in the stomach all the time...how am I supposed to grab that thing anyway?!
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I'm wondering about that too.

Hopefully, Sony will notice the outcry (people everywhere are disgusted) and release a "revised" version. Or the good old controller...

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controller looks bad ... but i'm not so sure it would also feel bad ... in fact ... i can imagine it being really confortable ...

by the way ... XBOX 360, PS3, and Revolution ... all three using IBM's PowerPC architecture ... jeje ... =)

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I found this "explanation" at heise.de.

I was watching Fox News and they were talking to the President of Sony Computer Entertainment America, where he announced the PS3 will be out Spring 2006.

To put the PS3 power in laymans terms without getting all technical (according to the Fox News text):
- "PS3 will be 35x more powerful than the PS2."
- "PS3 will be twice as powerful as its competition."