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Metallica will offer FLAC downloads

The big corporate machine of METALLICA is planning to offer all of this year's live shows online in both 128 kbps MP3 format and lossless FLAC format.  The price range will probably be between $10 and $13.

No Windows Media DRM or Real Audio REAL PASS.

Good for Metallica for playing fair!!  And major kudos for not only offering the standard MP3 files...but for also offering FLAC downloads for perfect sound quality!

And the website:  Live Metallica

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Reply #1 –
Playing fair?
Maybe somebody should tell them that bands with artistic integrity and credibility have been doing this for free for a long time...
Just look at etree, archive.org or BTAT.
"To understand me, you'll have to swallow a world." Or maybe your words.

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Reply #2 –
wow
I'm not into live music, but that is a very favorable decision. their web tech guy seems to actually have researched what the live gig sharing crew on eTree are using.

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Playing fair?  Maybe somebody should tell them that bands with artistic integrity and credibility have been doing this for free for a long time...


All bands have a right to make money.  Why do some people consider it a crime when a band wants to get paid for their art?  You shouldn't be expected to do your job for free should you?  Why should they?

I don't mind handing over some of my hard-earned dough if the band plays fair (like offering unrestricted MP3's and FLAC files).  The audio quality is right off the sound board, not some guy with a DAT or MD in the audience.

If you really gotta have it for free, you can probably log onto Kazaa, emule or WinMX and find it.

Simply serving up the bandwidth to offer all of the audio files will cost the site owner a pretty penny.  Plus there are other costs to consider, too.  If the band plays fair...so should you.  Don't steal their music.

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Of course they have the right to 'make money' (even though IMO art and money don't always mix too well), but bandwith cost is not an argument. archive.org would have done the hosting for them, if they were actually interested in their fans getting to hear their performances.

Sharing of liveshows is done through communities like etree and doesn't have anything to do with Kazaa or whatever.

dev0
"To understand me, you'll have to swallow a world." Or maybe your words.

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Reply #5 –
Just in case you are a Grateful Dead (and their friends) fan, check this site:

http://www.gdlive.com/

they have a lot of live material (both in mp3 and shorten format) to download.

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Playing fair?  Maybe somebody should tell them that bands with artistic integrity and credibility have been doing this for free for a long time...


All bands have a right to make money.  Why do some people consider it a crime when a band wants to get paid for their art?  You shouldn't be expected to do your job for free should you?  Why should they?

The point that dev0 was making (as I understood it) wasn't about getting paid vs. not getting paid, it was about integrity and credibility.

When Metallica talks about being involved in the tape trading scene (and how this helped lead to their popularity), yet slams mp3 sharing as somehow being vastly different in principle simply because they are now popular, that implies for me a diminished sense of integrity and credibility on their part.

As far as I'm concerned, Metallica can stick their FLAC's where the sun doesn't shine.  Just because they've chosen to "see the light" (in itself arguable) now doesn't endear them to all the people they've pissed off or change they fact that they've sold out (an understatement in itself.. considering how they've abandoned not only their fans but other key bands/allies in the scene they came from).  And just because they're going to be offering their stuff in FLAC doesn't make their music any less tired or crappy.  Do yourself a favor and find something more worthwhile -- there are plenty of actually talented artists out there doing some incredibly creative things who either give their music away for free or sell it cheaper than Metallica (and many of them aren't afraid of the whole file sharing thing either), and who aren't compromised in principle like Metallica is.

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All bands have a right to make money. Why do some people consider it a crime when a band wants to get paid for their art? You shouldn't be expected to do your job for free should you?


The problem here, is that first you describe their music as art and then describe it as a job.
This contradicts itself. Either you're making musik for the money, thus, its "a job" - but then you're no artist. Or you make music because of an inner aspiration and creativity - a (music-)artist HAS to make music. Even if no one would ever buy a single CD from him, he would HAVE to make music - just like a painter HAS to paint pictures, even if its just for himself.

I'm not saying that artists don't deserve to make money, or are disallowed. The intention makes the difference.

Either you make music because of the musik, or you make music because of the money. Its that simple. If you make music because of the music, then getting paid has second priority(or maybe even third).

And because of the above, metallica are no artists. They only do their job.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.
 

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Reply #8 –
Hm... so bad they are not planning on offering the first albums, you know, when they where good.... 

But anyway, has anyone taken them seriously since the black album?
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you."

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The problem here, is that first you describe their music as art and then describe it as a job.
This contradicts itself. Either you're making musik for the money, thus, its "a job" - but then you're no artist. Or you make music because of an inner aspiration and creativity - a (music-)artist HAS to make music. Even if no one would ever buy a single CD from him, he would HAVE to make music - just like a painter HAS to paint pictures, even if its just for himself.

I don't understand this thought. Where does the motivation to create "art" come from in your opinion? Is the motivation to create "art" a different one than any other motivation that leads us to do "non-art'ish" things?
Let's suppose that rain washes out a picnic. Who is feeling negative? The rain? Or YOU? What's causing the negative feeling? The rain or your reaction? - Anthony De Mello

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But anyway, has anyone taken them seriously since the black album?

Well, IMO Until It Sleeps is one of their best and deepest tunes ever. It puts Metal back into Metallica, the riffing on that song could have been taken from a lot heavier band.

Besides that, no

I'm actually hoping that that they would make rehearsal DVD's of the previous, good albums. I'm pretty pissed off at the band because of the entire Metallica/Napster scandal, but making a rehearsal DVD from Master Of Puppets would surely ease my (st.) anger a bit

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The problem here, is that first you describe their music as art and then describe it as a job.
This contradicts itself. Either you're making musik for the money, thus, its "a job" - but then you're no artist. Or you make music because of an inner aspiration and creativity - a (music-)artist HAS to make music. Even if no one would ever buy a single CD from him, he would HAVE to make music - just like a painter HAS to paint pictures, even if its just for himself.

I don't understand this thought. Where does the motivation to create "art" come from in your opinion? Is the motivation to create "art" a different one than any other motivation that leads us to do "non-art'ish" things?

It's the human desire to express himself, his thoughts, his needs, fears or wishes.
This is completely independent from the desire to make money or gain anything in materialistic terms, it's simply motivated by the 'fire inside' to expresses something, which would otherwise probably be left unheard.

Art historically precedes the invention of materialistic posessions. It was the first cultural achievment/step of human civilization as such.
"To understand me, you'll have to swallow a world." Or maybe your words.

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Art historically precedes the invention of materialistic posessions. It's been there before and was the first cultural achievment/step of human civilization as such.

And modern legislation is hell bent on turning art, science and ideas into materialistic possessions. Great news for mankind

Think of Newton patenting, copyrighting and requiring license fees for usage of the laws of motion. Not good, not good at all. Commercialism means the death of free exchange of information, the cornerstone of human civilization.

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dev did explain it better than i ever could

If you're an artist, then you "create" anyways - if you get something back via appreciation or money - then thats nice, but its not the initial goal.

If you instead create with the intention of making money or becoming famous, then the "art" isn't the reason but instead just a method to archieve something different. Therefore, if you create to make money of it, then you will create something which has the best chances of making money. If you create to become famous, then what you create will be made with the goal in mind that as many people as possible like it.

But if you create because of the art itself, then the entire process of creation is focussed on the art itself..... during this process, you dont care if many people will like it or it sells well..... because its about the art itself - if later people like it or buy it, thats fine and great, but its not the initial reason or goal.

Money or fame, is a nice "bonus" for an artist, a sign of support - but not what drives him to create or the reason for him doing it.

The majority of "artists" in the world don't even expect to make money of their creation. Its just that you dont hear of 'em because they dont get pushed by the industry - because theres no money to make out of it.

edit: changed wording
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Art historically precedes the invention of materialistic posessions. It's been there before and was the first cultural achievment/step of human civilization as such.


hmm... art and materialism and commerce have been twisted together since the Rococco period (possibly earlier, as i think this style was a reaction in part to this).

artists create art, but art is material, and therefore subject to desire and materialism.  an artist can EASILY get caught in a cycle of making progressively less full blooded art if they discover people will buy anything that has their name on it.  this is where the phrase "i like your old stuff better than your new stuff" comes from. 

where metallica stand on this is anyone's guess.  personally i think Lars is in it for the money and the rest are just hanging around.  i have a hunch that James is only staying in the band because he started it with Lars (yes, fed on a diet of british new-wave bootlegs that were of course completely unobtainable by legal means at the time).  i don't own St. Anger, and i don't think i'm even going to get a burnt copy of it.

i actually retched when i heard (and saw the video to) "unnamed feeling".

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<snip> Where does the motivation to create "art" come from in your opinion? Is the motivation to create "art" a different one than any other motivation that leads us to do "non-art'ish" things?

It's the human desire to express himself, his thoughts, his needs, fears or wishes.
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it's simply motivated by the 'fire inside' to expresses something, which would otherwise probably be left unheard.

Do I understand correctly? For the artist it's not enought to express himself, it's also necessary that someone, e.g. the audience, hears (or perceives consciously in another way) this expression (and - obviously - that the audience shows some kind of reaction).

I can't understand what's bad about money as source for motivation. Of course it can be (as every other source) but not necessarily.
Example:
People often take things they get for free for granted and don't appreciate them much. If an artist takes money from a concert's audience, people will pay more attention (because they don't want to miss anything they've paid for) and only people who like his music that much that they're ready to pay the entrance-fee will be there.
OTH a motivation for an artist entering stage might be to see how he can manipulate 100s of people in the audience to do what he wants (-> Power), a motivation that could be regarded as less honourable than earning money.

IMO motivation, no matter if it's for creating art or getting up from the chair and feeding the cat, can have multiple reasons and can't be clearly devided into materialistic and non-materialistic.
Let's suppose that rain washes out a picnic. Who is feeling negative? The rain? Or YOU? What's causing the negative feeling? The rain or your reaction? - Anthony De Mello

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I have to say that tigre is right there.

The devil isn't money itself. The different is if you're creating to express yourself or the mentioned inner fire - or if you do it to get something back - be it money, fame, power, whatever.

So, basically it comes down to: is the creation the reason, or just a method to archieve something else?

Motivation.... true, almost everyone needs motivation and support. But the difference is that as an artist, its optional... not your right. You may deserve support for your creation, but you cannot enforce it.

The problem is the "intention" and corruption. Do you create for yourself because of that burning fire inside, or do you create to "have" something?

- Lyx

edit: being compensated for "costs" - like with live shows, is something different than gaining money of it.

edit: creativity is chaos and therefore "ruling" it contradicts it
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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If you're an artist, then you "create" anyways - if you get something back via appreciation or money - then thats nice, but its not the initial goal.

If you instead create with the intention of making money or becoming famous, then the "art" isn't the reason but instead just a method to archieve something different.

What I'm not sure about - that's why I've asked - is this:

My brain needs sugar but my blood surgar is low -> I'm getting hungry -> l put a pizza in the microwave and eat it. Problem solved.
What I'm doing is aimed at reaching my initial goal.
But what is the initial goal of creating art? Does this even exist - or is there always a more or less well hidden different goal behind it? (like getting filthy rich, enjoying the benefits of having lots of groopies, gaining self-esteem by raising the degree of perfection, escaping from real-life problems into art, ...)
Let's suppose that rain washes out a picnic. Who is feeling negative? The rain? Or YOU? What's causing the negative feeling? The rain or your reaction? - Anthony De Mello

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But what is the initial goal of creating art? Does this even exist - or is there always a more or less well hidden different goal behind it? (like getting filthy rich, enjoying the benefits of having lots of groopies, gaining self-esteem by raising the degree of perfection, escaping from real-life problems into art, ...)


Thats a very good question.

And as you said, its difficult to grasp the "reason" or intention.

And maybe what we're talking about is the major force of mankind to create "unnecessary" things.

Hmm, its this feeling to turn something inside-outside - to express yourself. Why do we communicate with each other? I guess not only to learn, but also to express ourselves. If you're really sad, you cry to let it out, if you're happy, you laugh to let it out. Its the same with artistic creation.... letting something out and to express yourself.

Why?

I dont know - maybe too much unused energy ;-)
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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It's the human desire to express himself, his thoughts, his needs, fears or wishes.

Food seldom appears spontaneously on your plate, and living off nothing but a human desire, however pleasant this desire may be, is impossible. It's worth noting that the main prerequisite for having a desire is that your alive and well, and both are difficult to achieve without any money whatsoever.

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So, when are we gonna talk about Maslow's pyramid and the placing of art in it?

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So, when are we gonna talk about Maslow's pyramid and the placing of art in it?

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It's worth noting that the main prerequisite for having a desire is that your alive and well, and both are difficult to achieve without any money whatsoever.

true.

but the intention of that mentioned desire isn't to get food on your table but to express yourself. Art is irrational. As soon as you create with the main intention to get food on your table, the result of your creation is "compromised", because it isn't any longer irrational.

Like i said: Creativity is chaos. Order contradicts it. And rationality is order.

Of course everyone is free to create for whatever reason he wants (as long as it doesn't hurt others), but then it isn't any longer purely because of that "burning fire".

Imho, this irrational burning fire to create/express oneself, is art. If you do something else, then thats fine - but then it isn't any longer pure art.

@tigre
edit: maybe the reason behind this burning fire IS to create chaos/irrationality. Not sure about that, but it would make sense, since its no secret that humans need an amount of irrationality ;)
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Just in case you are a Grateful Dead (and their friends) fan, check this site:

http://www.gdlive.com/

they have a lot of live material (both in mp3 and shorten format) to download.

OMFG!!! I love you    I have been looking for a site just like this but most rely on Bittorrent, which doesn't work at my college! Thanks  .