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Feurio! 1.67 released

Feurio! is an integrated software for creating audio CDs (especially samplers). The Feurio! trial version is not restricted in any way.

http://www.feurio.com/English/index.shtml
 

Feurio! 1.67 released

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geez, I almost thought ahead stopped developing this tool, concentrating on nero...
maybe this should be moved to news-submissions?
Nothing but a Heartache - Since I found my Baby ;)

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geez, I almost thought ahead stopped developing this tool, concentrating on nero...

Ahead only distributes Feurio!. The development is still being done by Jens Fangmeier.

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I had a Sony laptop for awhile, and was disappointed when it didn't work with Feurio.  I now use an eMachines with an NEC DVD-RW, and it also was not supported.  This time, I ran the test, and sent in the results, and my drive was supported in a new 1.66 beta. Of course, it is listed in the 1.67 drives list. 

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On second thought, you're right, this is big enough news to put on the portal. As for me, this is the ultimate tool for Audio CDs.

Release notes:

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[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']Feurio! CD-Manager:
Problem with importing Freedb-database:
If you haven't selected the switch "compress database" during importing, the database would not run. Reason: The databasefile was longer then 512 MB. Until this version, Feurio! had accessed the files in "memory mapped" mode. Unfortunately, windows 2000 and xp support "memory mapped files" only up to a size of 512MB. We have changed the access mode; now it should run even if the file is greater than 512 MB.

Error corrections:
Many small problems were solved.

Feurio! CD-Writer:
New CD burners
The following burners are now also supported:

A-Open CD-RW CRW4850
A-Open CD-RW CRW5232
A-Open CD-RW CRW4850
A-Open CD-RW CRW5224
ASUS CRW-5224A
CyberDrive CW078D
CyberDrive CW088D
CyberDrive CW099D
HP Cd-Writer cd16f (no guarantee)
LG GCE 4480
LG GCC 4120B
LG GCC 4320B
LG GCE 8480B
LG GCE 8481B
LG GCE 8520B
Lite-On LTR-48246S (no guarantee)
Lite-On LTR-52246S
Lite-On LTR-52327S
Mitsumi CR-485E TE
MSI Dragonwriter MS-8348A
MSI CR52-A2
NEC NR-9300A
NEC ND-1300A
NEC NR-9400A
NEC ND-1100A (no guarantee)
Pioneer DVR-A05 (no guarantee)
Pioneer DVR-A06
Philips CDRW5200
Plextor Plexwriter PX-W5224A
Plextor Plexwriter PX-W4012S (Plexwriter 40/12/40S)
Plextor PX-W320A (PlexCombo 20/10/40-12A)
Plextor PX-504A
Plextor Plexwriter Premium
Plextor PX-708A
Samsung SW-252B
Samsung SW-252F
Samsung SM-352
Sony DRU-510
Sony CRX 215A1 (no guarantee)
Sony CRX 220A1
Sony CRX 220E1
Sony CRX 210E1 (no guarantee)
Sony DW-U10A
Sony DRU-500
TDK CyClone 241040B (no guarantee)
TDK CyClone 482448B
Teac CD-W548E
Teac DW-224E
Teac DV-W50E
Teac DV-W50D
TEAC CD-W552E
Toshiba SD-R5002
Toshiba SD-R5112
Traxdata CDRW 481248tx (no guarantee)
Traxdata CDRW 522452tx (no guarantee)
Yamaha CRW F1

Detection on DVD-R, output of DVD-vendorcode and DVD-ATIP-Data:
We have implementeted a detection of DVD-R and DVD+R media.
If you have a DVD-Writer supported by Feurio!, Feurio! will display type of dvd-media, capazity and dvd-vendor.
Also, you can display all pre-recordered data (like atip-data on cd-r) of a dvdr.
IMPORTAND: The output of the dvd-vendorcode for dvd+r media does only work if your writer supports reading of dvd+r-vendorcode; many DVD+RW-Writes cannot read the vendorcode of a DVD+R! [/span]

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Ahead only distributes Feurio!. The development is still being done by Jens Fangmeier.

ah, interesting to know. I thought the developer of feurio! was more closly 'related' to ahead, but it realy seems that you're right (as usual  )
Nothing but a Heartache - Since I found my Baby ;)

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I thought the developer of feurio! was more closly 'related' to ahead

He's related in some way, I think.
Jens Fangmeier appears in the credits of Nero 5.5.


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Detection on DVD-R, output of DVD-vendorcode and DVD-ATIP-Data

Data like this:   

DVD STRUCTURE INFORMATION - Read by Feurio 1.67

Recorder................................: SONY - DVD RW DRU-500A
Disc Type...............................: DVD-R, Vers. 2.2
Manufacturer ID.........................: TYG01
Disc Size...............................: 120 mm
Number of Layers........................: 1
Linear Density..........................: 0.267 µm/bit
Track Density...........................: 0.74 µm/track
Application code........................: 40: Disc for unrestricted use, Consumer purpose disc
Track pitch.............................: 0,74 µm
Reference velocity......................: 3,49 m/s
Reflectivity............................: 45% to 85%
Media Type..............................: Organic dye
Last adr. of Data Recordable Area.......: FD9ED8h (16621272)
OPC code (recommanded recording power)..: 8.5 mW

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The Feurio! trial version is not restricted in any way.

As I remeber there is at least one restriction in trial. It doesn't let burn data images. But I have to admit also - I am very happy with Feurio!.
Ogg Vorbis for music and speech [q-2.0 - q6.0]
FLAC for recordings to be edited
Speex for speech

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As I remeber there is at least one restriction in trial. It doesn't let burn data images.

Even the registered version doesn't let burn data discs.
You need Feurio! Professional, and it can't create data images. It will only burn "on the fly" and "simple" data discs. I don't think multisessions discs are accepted.
It also burns Nero images, but I don't know if all kind of images are accepted, apart from the fact that Ahead changes the format of .NRG images too frequently. Combined with the ugly way to create images in Nero, Feurio! Pro is not a program to burn data discs.

The other restriction in non Professional versions of Feurio, is that you can't burn to several burners.
The demo version only lets you simulate multiple burning, either synchronous or asynchronous burning.

http://www.feurio.com/English/Professional/index.shtml

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Which is it the advantage of this program over nero? I Think nero is most complete and powerful to create audio cds, but I'm curious for the people that uses this program.
Living forevermore, leaving today, back to my place, I've got: Nothing to say!

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I Think nero is most complete and powerful to create audio cds, but I'm curious for the people that uses this program.

?!

I was and still has been curios as for people using Nero to create audio CDs... 

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I was and still has been curios as for people using Nero to create audio CDs...

well, it usually comes with your burner and it "usually" works...

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Which is it the advantage of this program over nero?

well, it's easy:
the only advantages of Nero are that it supports more drives, more audio formats, and has RMS normalization.

Feurio is better in the rest of aspects:
it's better programmed (much less bugs), it needs less resources and works faster, the interface is well thought, the burning engine is better (well, in fact Nero copied the engine from Feurio), it has many more options...

Feurio offered multitasking and multiple burning since the beginning (1998-1999). You can rip, edit track titles, etc., while burning... things that Nero wasn't able to do until the latest versions of Nero 5.5, and only because they use the little elegant method of opening more instances... really poor...
Nero can't even burn gapless discs when the tracks haven't the correct size (and let's not forget the bug that always deleted the last sector of all tracks for a lot of versions).
Try to decode MP3 files to HDD, to play your compilation before burning to check how it sounds, to create an offline CDDB database, things so easy like remembering your settings or loading a CUE sheet in MP3 format... and you'll see why Feurio is much better programmed.

If you don't care about making compilations, then there's not much difference, but if you like to make samplers, they are not comparable.
That's why I use it, because it works, something that Nero 4 couldn't do when I bought my 1st burner.

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That's why I use it, because it works, something that Nero 4 couldn't do when I bought my 1st burner.

Well, there was ONE fundamental drawback that prevented Feurio from becoming more popular (and it is not the steeper-than-usual learning curve  ): originally it was available only in german language.

Back in '98, when audio burning was still a tricky and sometimes frustrating process (it was kind of an art, really), I had to settle for the dreaded Audiograbber-Nero combination, that at least got (and still do, although I don't use either no more) the job done.

As much as everybody praised Feurio (and it is indeed great), I didn't understand a thing. I had to look elsewhere and, for sure, I wasn't the only one...
I'm the one in the picture, sitting on a giant cabbage in Mexico, circa 1978.
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Yes, I started with the same tools: Audiograbber or WinDAC + Nero4 or CDRWin3.6x.
None of them worked as they should.
I had a 25% of coasters due to buffer-underruns, and that's without touching the computer while burning. OK, my system wasn't perfect, but I finally found Feurio, the program with the obvious solution: a RAM buffer (Nero 4 didn't have something like that and the configurable RAM buffer in CDRWin didn't work). No more coasters anymore and could use the computer while burning.
I wasn't sure about the interface at that time, but now I don't find anything better (Nero interface is quite bad).

Then, Feurio "sold" the burning engine to Ahead, and Nero 5 was a reliable program (althought rather limited). This is one of the reasons why Ahead could become as big as Roxio: a much better burning engine in Nero5 than EasyCDC.
As long as Ahead added more and more features to Nero, more and more bugs were introduced and good working code was incorrectly modified (like the burning engine in some versions)... and now it's a big monster impossible to mantain.

Feurio remains to be the only burning program that has a working RAM buffer in Windows'98, as well as some versions of Nero5 and Nero 6 (thanks to Feurio), althought this is not that important since BurnProof drives are used.


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Well, there was ONE fundamental drawback that prevented Feurio from becoming more popular

IMO, the drawback was that it couldn't burn data.
So when someone buys a drive, he finds Nero or Roxio software and that's what he uses, because they usually work and there's no need to use other software. They got the job done.
Now, the drawback is that it only burns WAV and MP3. Feurio!2 is going to natively support OGG and APE, and a interface to support more formats, but we'll have to wait for that version, I'm afraid.

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Frankly, I am noticing very few complaints in various forums dealing with Nero since 6302 came out.

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minix thanks for your great explication, I think that I should install Feurio . Is Feurio best that Nero 6.3 burning gapless mp3?
Living forevermore, leaving today, back to my place, I've got: Nothing to say!

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Is Feurio best that Nero 6.3 burning gapless mp3?

To burn gapless MP3, the easiest way is to decode first using foobar2000.
foobar has a perfect (for LAME encodes 3.90 and up) decoding engine that produces wav files of exact track length as the originals, which means they are totally gapless.

You can use Feurio to burn gapless MP3 CD's, but it requires additional audio-editor work, where foobar is as simple as "Convert-->Run convertion"
Then you can use whatever you like to burn those wavs
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Reseñas de Rock en Español: www.estadogeneral.com

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I think that I should install Feurio

Another advantage is that it's small and doesn't install any garbage out of its own folder (only the settings in the registry) - it works by copying the folder to another computer -
Nero installs its own drivers in the system or nerocheck.exe now, and, surprisingly, it needs a special separate tool ("Nero Clean Tool" or something like that) to completely remove it... 

As said, if you don't make compilations, you won't find special advantages... if you don't mind having to remember to set 0 seconds between tracks and DAO mode EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A DISC !


Check if your burner is supported.
ANd don't forget to see the "Program Paramters" section for options like disabling copyright bits (if you want to transfer CDs to MiniDisc), selecting ASPI or STPI mode (if you have WinNT/2K/XP) or enabling C2-errors reporting if your ripping device allows it...


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Is Feurio best that Nero 6.3 burning gapless mp3?

Not exactly, because the problem lies in the MP3 format.
The files have the silence inside and you have to manually remove it.

If you edit the files and get WAVs without silence, then Nero will cut the last samples of every track because it works like that. The size of the files must be multiple of a CD-DA sector (588 samples) if you want to burn them in Nero without losing anything.

Feurio offers two options:
- fill the last sector with silence, like most burning programs (except Nero, which deletes samples instead of padding with zeroes).
- fill the last sector with the music of the following track = gapless sound.

Select "Do not insert pauses between tracks" Setting to get this behaviour.

It also has a very fast non-destructive Track Editor to easily remove the silences in MP3 tracks. Just use "Action" -> "Set start/end position" in the proper positions.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=17396



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Then you can use whatever you like to burn those wavs

Only if the MP3 files were created with those special LAME versions.
In this case, Foobar2k decoder is the best option and you could burn with any program, because the WAV files will have the same size as they had in the CD.

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Another advantage is that it's small and doesn't install any garbage out of its own folder (only the settings in the registry) - it works by copying the folder to another computer

Another would-be drawback to Feurio is that it takes it's deinstallation a little too seriously. I have had Feurio installed and deinstalled in my computer in the past (usually  because its uses were too case-specific for me), and maybe a couple of times it deleted my wave files folder, taking my songs with it. No biggie, since I always could access the original CD.
So be careful!



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Only if the MP3 files were created with those special LAME versions.

IMHO, if he is using anything else, he shouldn't be in HA to begin with 
I'm the one in the picture, sitting on a giant cabbage in Mexico, circa 1978.
Reseñas de Rock en Español: www.estadogeneral.com

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and maybe a couple of times it deleted my wave files folder, taking my songs with it.

yes, if you ripped those WAVs with Feurio, I guess.
They're considered "INTERNAL" files.

The same caution if you select "Create project from cuesheet-file", which I recommend very much over Nero.
The project is considered "created" by Feurio, and the tracks are considered INTERNAL. So, be careful when you delete that compilation.

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Is there a Monkey's Audio plugin for Feurio? I have only been using Nero 6.3 because (with the APE plugin) I can drag my lossless compressed APE's and they are decoded on the fly. A very handu feature...

Cheers

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Even the registered version doesn't let burn data discs.
You need Feurio! Professional, and it can't create data images. It will only burn "on the fly" and "simple" data discs. I don't think multisessions discs are accepted.
It also burns Nero images, but I don't know if all kind of images are accepted, apart from the fact that Ahead changes the format of .NRG images too frequently. Combined with the ugly way to create images in Nero, Feurio! Pro is not a program to burn data discs.



Feurio! 1.66 comes with CD-Writer utility. I am using it to burn images beacause it's very low CPU consumption. It does support burning .iso an .img files. When it was still not registered it didn't work.
Ogg Vorbis for music and speech [q-2.0 - q6.0]
FLAC for recordings to be edited
Speex for speech

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Is there a Monkey's Audio plugin for Feurio?

No. Only WAV and MP3 formats.
We'll have to wait for Feurio!2.
It'll have native OGG and APE support, and an interface to add other plugins.

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When it was still not registered it didn't work.

well, my registered version says that data tracks are only possible with a "Feurio! Professional" license. 

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and maybe a couple of times it deleted my wave files folder, taking my songs with it.

yes, if you ripped those WAVs with Feurio, I guess.
They're considered "INTERNAL" files.

The same caution if you select "Create project from cuesheet-file", which I recommend very much over Nero.
The project is considered "created" by Feurio, and the tracks are considered INTERNAL. So, be careful when you delete that compilation.

Yeah, but it is still untypical, unintuitive behavior that could really screw you up.

If "buggy", "stupid", "piece of crap"* Nero did something like this you could actually hear people scream in every forum on the Net.

This is a bad choice of design in Feurio, not two ways about it.

*Just some things you hear about Nero all the time. Remember the Recode "bug"?
I'm the one in the picture, sitting on a giant cabbage in Mexico, circa 1978.
Reseñas de Rock en Español: www.estadogeneral.com

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Once I was used to the interface, I liked it a lot for burning Audio CD. The advantage IMO is not only with samplers but with any kind of continuous CD (live, mix, long pieces split into multiple parts) if you store them as separate tracks.

It's not only how mp3s are decoded but also how the CD sectors at the end of a track are filled (as minix explained). BTW next to foobar2000 you can also decode Lame mp3's with "lame --decode" (or razorlame) as it knows about its own decoder delay and exact track lengths. Musepack and lossless formats offer this too
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Now, the drawback is that it only burns WAV and MP3. Feurio!2 is going to natively support OGG and APE, and a interface to support more formats, but we'll have to wait for that version, I'm afraid.
Here you touch the real drawback of Feurio, the slow development. (makes me think of Musepack  ). This Version 2.x was talked about for more than a year, but it has become rather silent. So when it arrives, it supports (at least) Vorbis and APE, but what about FLAC, WavePack or Musepack? Also (if I remember correctly) the author has looked into adding DVD-A authoring, but the licensing issues (costing too much) prohibit that. The biggies (Nero, Roxio) are in a better position to pay
Nero made a smart move to create a plug-in interface, and now there are plug-ins for almost any audio compression format known to man.
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