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Good Free Insecure ripper?

I was going to comment about in the iTunes thread about iTunes ripping very fast partially because they're not secure.  But then I thought, what's a good Windows ripping program that can rip and encode quickly as well?  Something more focused on speed and simplicity, rather than accuracy.

In the world of 40x CD Drives, it'd be nice to see a program that can rip close to that speed. And of course, free would be nice too.  Any ideas/suggestions?

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Reply #1 –
EAC in burst mode will read as fast as possible.

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Reply #3 –
I can rip at 42x final speed in secure mode with EAC on a Plextor 708A (DVD+/- writer).

Maybe it's time to change your CDROM drive...

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Reply #4 –
@odorf
hmm... I had forgotten about burst mode.  I should do some speed tests.

@coy-itys
Haven't tried it, but I didn't think that Win2k/xp can handle VxDs.  Do you know if it can or not?  That would REALLY be cool just encoding on the fly like that.

@lucpes
Meh..... I have a Toshiba SD-1401, a Yamaha CRW2100, and an empty wallet.  A disc drive upgrade is DEFINITELY not in my near future (monitor/graphics card is first on the list anyways).

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Reply #5 –
The alternate CDFS.vxd is for Win98 (or Win9x/ME) IIRC ...

Burst Mode will rip any given CD at maximum speed (any burning program is able to do so btw) ... if you don't care about quality and just want speed ... why don't you try audiograbber ? it features the ultra-fast and ultra-bad xing encoder ...

(hope i do not get kicked off HA for writing this ...)
The name was Plex The Ripper, not Jack The Ripper

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Burst Mode will rip any given CD at maximum speed (any burning program is able to do so btw) ... if you don't care about quality and just want speed ... why don't you try audiograbber ? it features the ultra-fast and ultra-bad xing encoder ...

Your question is actually reasonable, surprisingly enough (IMHO, though I'm NEVER gonna follow your suggestion).

I don't want to start a rant here, but I've seen a couple people praising iTunes for ripping and encoding CDs just so fast (...faster than EAC....  )  I've been ripping for EAC in secure mode for so that I'd forgotten how to do blazingly fast-but-insecure rips.

In fact, the last two ripping programs that I used before EAC (aside from trying CDparanoia & CDex), was WinDAC and a hacked version of AudioGrabber.  I haven't touched either of those in 2-3 years.  I was wondering if there was something better.

As for fast encoding, I'd always thought that Lame -ap cbr 128 was pretty fast (or whatever the original no-flag standard was).

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In the world of 40x CD Drives, it'd be nice to see a program that can rip close to that speed.

Speed doesn't depend on ripping program.
It depends on drive.

Lists of typical DAE speeds:
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=da...daeresults.php3
http://www.feurio.com/English/cd_roms/fram...e_list_ide.html

PlexTools is free and combines secure mode with high speed.
The same for Feurio if your drive reports C2 errors (not your Yamaha, but yes the Toshiba if it works as it should), but it's not exactly free (unlimited demo), and the LAME encoder will slow down the process a lot if you make MP3.

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Reply #9 –
well, yes, I meant that in burst mode, all programs will rip in more or less the same time. Some programs a few seconds faster than others. For instance, PlexTools is a bit slow compared to other burst mode rippers, but nothing worrying.

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I can rip at 42x final speed in secure mode with EAC on a Plextor 708A (DVD+/- writer).

Reading every Sector twice (that´s the way EAC´s Secure-Mode woks!), with this speed would mean that your Drive is able to rip with up to 84x...
I don´t believe that... 

The only possibility to reach this speed would be to use the "Drive is capable of retrieving of retrieving C2 error information"...
In this case, EAC just rereads, if the Drive detects the C2 errors, but i wouldn´t trust in this function...

Just search the forum for "EAC + c2"...
one interesting thread

Hiwi
Bombing for Peace is like
Fucking for Virginity
-No WAR-

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Some programs a few seconds faster than others.


dBpowerAMP in burst mode was 2x faster than EAC in burst mode.

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dBpowerAMP in burst mode was 2x faster than EAC in burst mode.

Yes, but I think that that's only due to a problem in EAC with that drive or maybe some option.
With my drives, that doesn't happen, although I don't feel comfortable at all with EAC in burst mode, I'm not sure why (with my Ultraplex).

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Reply #13 –
Foobar2000. Oh yeah. Get teh pow4r.  Rip, encode, tag extensibly, everything, all very easily.

If I was going to use an insecure ripper, it'd be fb2k all the way.
 

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dBpowerAMP in burst mode was 2x faster than EAC in burst mode.

Yes, but I think that that's only due to a problem in EAC with that drive or maybe some option.
With my drives, that doesn't happen, although I don't feel comfortable at all with EAC in burst mode, I'm not sure why (with my Ultraplex).

EAC's buffered burst mode does not differ from burst mode used by any other application ...
The name was Plex The Ripper, not Jack The Ripper

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Foobar2000. Oh yeah. Get teh pow4r.  Rip, encode, tag extensibly, everything, all very easily.

If I was going to use an insecure ripper, it'd be fb2k all the way.

Do you need Nero for this?

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Foobar2000. Oh yeah. Get teh pow4r.  Rip, encode, tag extensibly, everything, all very easily.

If I was going to use an insecure ripper, it'd be fb2k all the way.

Do you need Nero for this?

Nope, you only need Nero if you want to burn cd's from within Foobar. 

You can rip them, if really necessary, by simply using the diskwriter output plugin.

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Foobar2000. Oh yeah. Get teh pow4r.  Rip, encode, tag extensibly, everything, all very easily.

If I was going to use an insecure ripper, it'd be fb2k all the way.

Do you need Nero for this?

no
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you."

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Reply #19 –
X-Traktor is a freeware ripper, which a very simple interface and easy to use.
Supports wav, ogg and mp3(lame.dll) formats.
Uses akrip.dll routines(same as cdex) and its overall performance is acceptable for a non-secure ripper.

X-Tractor's Page

All versions.

PS: I prefer v0.21, since the later ones sometimes show problems runing on Win98SE enviroment.
"Jazz washes away the dust of everyday life" (Art Blakey)

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Reply #20 –
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I was going to comment about in the iTunes thread about iTunes ripping very fast partially because they're not secure.

I don't know how Mac OS X performs on other computers than my own, but my drive is supposedly 24x, and I have never had anything read from it at full speed. This would indicate that there is some sort of error correction in the kernel.

I wouldn't call iTunes insecure - it rips to AAC at 2,5-3,0x speed and AIFF and Wave at 3,0-4,0x speed. (Both use all 400MHz of available CPU ) Why would it be so slow if there was absolutely no error correction? I haven't been able to verify it, but I suspect that there is kernel space error correction in Darwin - at least with the driver it uses on my mac.

Just because a ripper hasn't been proven secure, it does not mean it's entirely insecure. One thing is being paranoid and wanting 100% correct rips, another is wanting rips where you can't tell the difference between playing the CD and playing the ripped tracks.