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Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Another question that probably goes without an answer...

I switched to ogg when I tried it for the first time. Since then, I had used only plain mp3 160 CBR, sometimes mp3pro. When I understood mp3pro was not going to take off, I tried vorbis and got stunned by the quality.

After swapping to vorbis, I ripped new cd's with dppoweramp @ 160, then I somehow learned how to use Exact Audio Copy and now I am using that following Chris Maiden guidelines.

Yesterday I decided to try and spot the differences between music files ripped with EAC and compressed on one hand with ogg -q6 and, on the other hand, with mp3 lame vbr, using the same guidelines provided by Chris Maiden.

Well, I have to say I cannot spot the difference very easily, the sound look very similar! I tried with jazz music, the one I mostly listen at the present time and all frequencies were there, both in vorbis and mp3.

I compared sizes: only 3 megabytes spared with orbis over the entire cd. Sizes are almost the same.

Still, vorbis seems to be better, but now I wonder if it is really worth all that work and trouble it gives me.

I know there is no right answer to the above, and probably there is not even a question and the most of you would think just-do-what-you-prefer or what sounds best to you is what you should choose... but I just wonder if it is a matter of hardware, my hardware is very basic and maybe I cannot spot differences because it sounds anyway in a rather basic way. Or else there are still further reasons to choose vorbis...

I would be glad to read your opinions about that...

Thank you.
wiren

Modena (ITA)

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #1 –
If I were you, I'd stick with ogg, but I'd wait a few weeks until Garf has finished tuning the higher quality settings before starting another mass ripping session. It should be well worth the wait!

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #2 –
Is it a different compile of the encoder or are there just some new settings (command line parameters) or both?

Where can I get more details about that?

Is it focused to reducing size or improve quality?

Thanks.
wiren

Modena (ITA)

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #3 –
i'd stick with vorbis too as it provides gapless playback, faster encoding and doesn't has some other limitations which mp3 will always have because the format itself.

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #4 –
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Is it a different compile of the encoder or are there just some new settings (command line parameters) or both?

Where can I get more details about that?

Is it focused to reducing size or improve quality?

Thanks.

garf is tuning high bitrates as far as i know. (q6). there won't any new options i guess. it's just a tuned vorbis code which inproves sound at q6 for example. just like installing a new driver to your graphiccard that improves speed, hehe

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #5 –
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If I were you, I'd stick with ogg, but I'd wait a few weeks until Garf has finished tuning the higher quality settings before starting another mass ripping session. It should be well worth the wait!

Is it correct to say that what Garf is doing with Vorbis is similar to what Dibrom did with LAME?
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Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #6 –
Since I don't know with certainty what it was Dibrom did, nor do I know precisely what Garf is doing, what comes next could be complete garbage!! 

However, I believe that Dibrom's efforts were mostly about extracting the best results from the existing libraries without fundamentally changing them. Whereas, I believe Garf is fundamentally tuning the codebooks so that all the higher quality settings reap the benefits. His initial efforts generate higher bitrates, but I believe that these will come down as the tuning process progresses so that finally he will be achieving better quality for a similar bitrate.

I'm sure that if either, or both, of these statements is way off the mark, a response will be forthcoming!!

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #7 –
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i'd stick with vorbis too as it provides gapless playback, faster encoding and doesn't has some other limitations which mp3 will always have because the format itself. (by Xenion)


What does Xenion mean with limitations in mp3 Format ?  i had heard earlier about that, but no one have explained it.

Why someone how Dibrom can not break such limitations ? the ISO Limitations were broken too in the past, weren't they ?
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Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #8 –
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What does Xenion mean with limitations in mp3 Format ?  i had heard earlier about that, but no one have explained it.


You could find this easily with the search function, but these I know by hearth:

- inefficient encoding of >16kHz
- inflexible bit allocation
- inflexible stereo model
- bad, nonflexible block sizes
- weird setup (subbanding+MDCT)

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Why someone how Dibrom can not break such limitations ? the ISO Limitations were broken too in the past, weren't they ?


Because nothing would play those files. I don't understand what you mean by 'the ISO limitations were broken'.
 

Ogg -q6 versus Lame VBR plain mp3

Reply #9 –
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Is it a different compile of the encoder or are there just some new settings (command line parameters) or both?


Different version of the Vorbis libraries. (Which for windows users means a different compile of the encoder)

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Where can I get more details about that?


http://sjeng.org
Vorbis - Dev section of this board

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Is it focused to reducing size or improve quality?


What's the difference?