Is anyone interested in helping in cancer research. It will not cost you anything, no contracts to sign, no, nothing. All you have to give up is your CPU idle time. You just download a small program which only uses your CPU idle time to... Well, read more about it here (http://folding.stanford.edu/) if you are interested.
I have a suggestion, as many people here are interested in silent PCs, why not join this team 31574 (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=31574), its a fairly new team which is growing at an alarming rate.
As 2 teams are better then 1, why not join them and try to become the No 1 folding team ???
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WHen your CPU is idle, all the processing power is waisted, so why not put it to good use! You could save someone
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Yep, I think I'll put my new P4-3GHz to good use. This SETI@Home project seems a bit too far fetched, and they have enough processing power anyway. And it's very likely that they wont find any evidence of ETs anyway..
Yep, I think I'll put my new P4-3GHz to good use. This SETI@Home project seems a bit too far fetched, and they have enough processing power anyway. And it's very likely that they wont find any evidence of ETs anyway..
I remember they listed their results. Check this (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/Candidates/index.html) and this (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/bestcands.html). It's quite and an evidence actually and AFAIK they did not start analyzing pulses, spikes and triplets. There're many such projects : Distributed Folding (http://www.distributedfolding.org/), folding@home (http://folding.stanford.edu/science.html), genome@home (http://gah.stanford.edu/), Sengent D2OL (http://www.d2ol.com/)...
Yep, I think I'll put my new P4-3GHz to good use. This SETI@Home project seems a bit too far fetched, and they have enough processing power anyway. And it's very likely that they wont find any evidence of ETs anyway..
JohnV
No one seems to be interested in helping out in cancer research. This suprises me because once the program is installed on your computer, you will not even notice it. It does not affect pc performance at all. It does increase CPU temp by about 5C, but thats it!
How about creating a HydrogenAudio team @ folding@home ???
Just a thought
Yeah, some companies will make money on my cost (power! I wll cool my cpu instead of starting seti o folding - less power usage and longer CPU live). This companies will not share their e.g. cure for cancer as we share our cpus poer - they will sell that, and i`m pretty sure, that price for this cure will be high enough (too high) to pump some companies with cash.
Someone could give link to REALLY FREE such program. One of links: http://www1.distributed.net/ (http://www1.distributed.net/)
One of links: http://www1.distributed.net/ (http://www1.distributed.net/)
Naah.. I don't trust anyone who use automatic translation for their webpages. Barely readable, but at least it gave me a good laugh.
I've participated in Seti@Home now for some 4 years, i.e. right since it started. I still have a bunch of machines running it at work. At about a year ago I stumbled over folding@home and switched over some of the machines to that. Maybe this will be good for something....
What's for sure is that running such a process will increase your electricity bill by an enormous amount if you have it running 24/7. You might be interested in that when you do it at home.
What's for sure is that running such a process will increase your electricity bill by an enormous amount if you have it running 24/7. You might be interested in that when you do it at home.
The administrator of Silent PC Review used a watt-meter on his collection of PC's, from 700MHz to 1.8GHz, and he said they were drawing 60-90W when idle, and 110-130W when running the folding@home program.
An Extra 50W per hour is 36KWH/month for a 24/7 PC. Where I live, 1KWH costs about $0.13, so running folding@home on a PC that is already on 24/7 (and doing nothing) costs an extra $4.50 per month. If you only run folding@home when the PC is on, let's say for 8 hours a day, that's only $1.50 a month. For most people, the difference in power draw (between f@h and no-f@h) will be less, and the cost of power will be less, so folding@home will be cheaper to run than this.
I thought running a distributed client would wallop my wallet, but it's really not too bad. I'm just more conscientious about turning off the house lights.
Edit: updated numbers.
A costly cure is better than no cure, believe me.
Now I leaved Seti and started cracking RC5-72 together with largest Polish team - http://rc5.kernelpanic.pl/ (http://rc5.kernelpanic.pl/).
Distribute.net client have cool fetures like sending logs via e-mail, completely hiding client and more. Now i`m using three machines, but i`ll use five soon.
Maybe someone (best if Dibrom/JohnV) could make HydrogenAudio team, ppl from community could join )There is 2000$ to win, so 1000$ will go to team (here: ha.org), 1000$ for happy user...
http://www.distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
I generally like the idea of distributed computing, especially if the project is actually working on something interesting like folding@home or distributed.net (both interesting/useful in their own way). But if there is ever going to be a HA team, it should concentrate on one project.
dev0
Ok. This is HA's Folding@Home team number: 32639
New team Hydrogenaudio.org with number 32639 has been founded by JohnV
(The team page will link to homepage at http://www.hydrogenaudio.org (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org) and link to a logo graphic at http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/style_images/1/logo.png (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/style_images/1/logo.png)
Any client program can contribute to the statistics for this team by putting the number in the team field
(right-click to configure a client program)
I'm in
Me too
If everyone in this forum joined, this team would have the potential to be the greatest !! I say this, because hydrogenaudio has quiet a bit of members! I think more then the average forum
Finally someone brings this up on HA!!! I been doing this for the pass 3 months but with another team OCAU I think this team is ranked 3rd on the list, not sure I don't check it no more as I am just interested at getting the WU processed, and looking at the molecules hehehe.
Join the team and help try to find a cure for cancer and other diseases. Also make sure you select the F@H and not Genome one
Right now to decide which team to go for!
Cheers
AgentMil
We need some cheerleaders as well carrying the logo of Hydrogenaudio
I'm in and ready for some serious scientific research...
Drop all your teams and join this one for encoding's sake
Looks like there are only 3 computers in the HA team, it could be over 6000 !!!
I will add two machines tonight and probably some more at my school later next week...
dev0
I will add two machines tonight and probably some more at my school later next week...
dev0
They let you do that at school?
Ok. This is HA's Folding@Home team number: 32639
New team Hydrogenaudio.org with number 32639 has been founded by JohnV
(The team page will link to homepage at http://www.hydrogenaudio.org (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org) and link to a logo graphic at http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/style_images/1/logo.png (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/style_images/1/logo.png)
Any client program can contribute to the statistics for this team by putting the number in the team field
(right-click to configure a client program)
How about HA.org team for distributed.net? It has better client, also 1000$ to win for Ha.org...
I will add two machines tonight and probably some more at my school later next week...
dev0
They let you do that at school?
Yeah. I'm doing the administration of the ~ 100 client Win2k network there and the school administration basically allows me to do anything legal, especially if I can somehow combine it with my research projects (and folding@home definetly fits there). Additionally I might even be able to get some spare machines to work on it 24/7.
dev0
I'm gonna join up as well. Out of curiosity, which appliaction are you all running, screensaver, GUI or console. I am going to run th econsole becase i had problems with the GUI when i gave it a try at christmas!
2.53GHz of watr cooled power coming HA's way
Kristian
We need some cheerleaders as well carrying the logo of Hydrogenaudio
Jen, of course!
Out of curiosity, which appliaction are you all running, screensaver, GUI or console.
I use gui with CPU usage limited to 60%. else my MPEGs/DivX play jerky.
And I drop it to 30% when watching DVDs
We need some cheerleaders as well carrying the logo of Hydrogenaudio
Jen, of course!
Out of curiosity, which appliaction are you all running, screensaver, GUI or console.
I use gui with CPU usage limited to 60%. else my MPEGs/DivX play jerky.
And I drop it to 30% when watching DVDs
Im no cheerleader, I have brains!
I am using the windows client version 3.24, but its not supposed to interfere with anything. If you are playing dvd, the console should stop working. Its only supposed to work whenever your CPU is free, i.e. idle time ???
> Its only supposed to work whenever your CPU is free, i.e. idle time
Yes, but in reality it does affect the machine.
An example...
Using AutoCAD 2000i and having it do real time rotation of a rendered 3D model while Task Manager was running resulted in jerky motion (due to polling). Closing TM smoothed out the display. This was on a dual 933 MHz Xeon (PIII) machine.
xen-uno
I'm using the screensaver.
The Tech Report has an article up testing the performance impact running Windows console client as a service:
http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/4341 (http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/4341)
At least using the console client and running it as service with firedaemon, the performance hit seems to be practically non-existant.
No problems running it on my computer... it just idles when you are using the computer to do something and then starts to process when the computer idles again. I would like to see a percentage slider bar in there so you can set it to process at a percentage of CPU cycles, cause normally anything making the CPU work will stop the F@H program. I normally just surf and listen to music and that normally stops the F@H program from processing. I found out the hard way cause no matter how long it took to process my WU did not move % wise, found out that the computer must be completely idle before it will process again
Sorry ppls I won't be able to join HA team, as I am already affiliated with OCAU. If I can setup another computer at home to run it then that machine will join Team HA, but currently all other computer are being used by my siblings hehehe so need their permission first.
Cheers
AgentMil
I can't imagin this team going very far, how about joining the SilentPCReview team ???
Since I'm going on Vacation to Rome for the next five days, F@H will be running 24/7 with little else being done at the same time on two computers (PII-300 / Celeron-1400). Hopefully this will boost my stats a little.
dev0
Well i've been processing a WU for the last 23 hours!! I'm on a P4 2.53 and i got quite a big core to process with a lifespan of 15 days, so it does take a while, i only have a few hours left though!
There's no point, now that a team is starting up, to jump onto somthing else, you'll probably find even the initail people who showed intrest will not bother. Give it time, at least a few weeks and see what happens before changing.
How about starting another thread(poll), to guage who is active, who will consider it, and who never will. That way you can better estimate the level of participance!
By tommorow though, we will at least have my work of approx 36 points!
Kristian
Since I'm going on Vacation to Rome for the next five days, F@H will be running 24/7 with little else being done at the same time on two computers (PII-300 / Celeron-1400). Hopefully this will boost my stats a little.
Leave it on high priority and make sure that processor is cooled enough...
Since I'm going on Vacation to Rome for the next five days, F@H will be running 24/7 with little else being done at the same time on two computers (PII-300 / Celeron-1400). Hopefully this will boost my stats a little.
Leave it on high priority and make sure that processor is cooled enough...
If it is left on idle priority and you are not using the PC it should be calculating just as much as with High Priority enable. Of course if you are doing intensive tasks on the PC at the same time Low Priority will slow down your calculations, but High Priority will then make the tasks on your PC very slow!!!
Kristian
Has anyone tried the commandline version setup as a service under WindowsNT 4, 5 or 5.1. Its as if its not even installed! However, I can tell its still running by checking the CPU usage, or CPU temp, or unitinfo.txt
The advantage of this is, if you have multiple accounts on your computer, it will always run, it will even run when no one is logged in !!!
Neat idea...
I joined...
Neat idea...
I joined...
I like your idea with the signature. Good for advertising this team. I think all folding members should do that, which will "hopefully", attract more people
[edit] Just noticed JohnV has the same, so I don't know who started it? [/edit]
[edit] Just noticed JohnV has the same, so I don't know who started it? [/edit]
JohnV did.
And I ran into the same problem as you with my sig...
I hate the fuckheads that force dibrom to remove formatting of sigs.
I had retired from grid.org (http://www.grid.org) and joined the team.
I joined An AthlonXP 2000+ and a P3 733 workin' away...
I can't imagine this team going very far, how about joining the SilentPCReview team ?
I'm currently running GIMPS (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) (Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search). The nice thing about it is that it's enough to let the client contact about once a month (plus whenever assignments are completed). I'll finish my current assignment which would take at least 18 more days. After that I will join Folding.
I affraid my PC doesn't qualify to join the SilentPC team
--
Ge Someone
//I'm in, assuming people haven't noticed my sig yet.
//C'mon people, what's a few CPU cycles?
Edit: Apparently more than my Duron wants to deal with heat-wise in the summer. Bleh...
Heh, obviously since they thought people might think Folding@Home is not as "sexy" as Seti@Home, they decided to make a nice little advertizing flash movie:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/f...lding/reloaded/ (http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/reloaded/)
Yep, I joined immediately after reading this thread
Too bad completed WU's won't follow an user in and out of teams with Folding@Home.
Right...I've now added myself too. Athlon XP2000+ running 24/7 anyway, so i thought I might as well.
I guess you guys can count me in. Ive got plenty of wasted cpu cycles. Ill be contributing my p2 400mhz server along with my xp1900+ desktop, they are usually chugging away all day while im at work so i might as well contribute to a good cause. Ill set up the clients when i get home from work later today. B)
Here's a very nice and simple service installer, which makes the console client run as a service.
http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/ (http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/)
Heh, obviously since they thought people might think Folding@Home is not as "sexy" as Seti@Home, they decided to make a nice little advertizing flash movie:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/f...lding/reloaded/ (http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/reloaded/)
That matrix theme is cool FOLDING@HOME RELOADED
Here's a very nice and simple service installer, which makes the console client run as a service.
http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/ (http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/)
Have to tried firedaemon? If yes, which do you prefer?
Here's a very nice and simple service installer, which makes the console client run as a service.
http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/ (http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/)
Have to tried firedaemon? If yes, which do you prefer?
I haven't tried firedaemon with folding console client. The Folding@Home Service Installer version 0.2 is very very easy to use, and does the same thing.
However, seems that the console as service is bringing down the performance of my hyperthreading system. Although the process priority is set to idle, it takes practically the other virtual processor to itself (50% all the time), and wont give it up even if I do something else. This decreases performance considerably (my video encoding performance dropped 10 frames/sec). If you are running a dual processor or HT system, I recommend using the screen saver client instead.
Here's a very nice and simple service installer, which makes the console client run as a service.
http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/ (http://www.shroomery.org/files/fahsi/)
Have to tried firedaemon? If yes, which do you prefer?
I haven't tried firedaemon with folding console client. The Folding@Home Service Installer version 0.2 is very very easy to use, and does the same thing.
However, seems that the console as service is bringing down the performance of my hyperthreading system. Although the process priority is set to idle, it takes practically the other virtual processor to itself (50% all the time), and wont give it up even if I do something else. This decreases performance considerably (my video encoding performance dropped 10 frames/sec). If you are running a dual processor or HT system, I recommend using the screen saver client instead.
Hmm, that interesting. Maybe its not optimized for HT processing???
JohnV. I think you should add some links to front ends for the folding@home client.
The one I am using, which works very well, EMIII (Electron Microscope III).
Main EMIII page (http://home.attbi.com/~wxdude1/emsite/em3.html) - Help with installing and setting up EMIII (http://home.attbi.com/~wxdude1/emsite/help/index.html)
Here's a little step by step guide to help people set up the text only client version of Folding@Home...
http://www.planetspectre.com/fah_console.htm (http://www.planetspectre.com/fah_console.htm)
again... I think all these links should be included in that validated news thread.
also you should include the link to here (http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/4341) just to let anyone who is interested know that there is no major performance drop while using this service.
I have been using my machine's slack time as apart of this project for some months now and have completed 37 work units as an individual. I have changed my parameters to join the HA team effort. This is a great opportunity for all contribute towards something for the common good. It costs so little and can yield so much.
"Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
This a good project to work on imho.
I have the command line client set up as an NT service with some registry editing and resource kit apps, well, 2 NT services in fact. One for each CPU. I might as well put these dual Athlon MP 1.2's to use, since theres not much else that will take advantage of both of them.
Having them as service means they run totally silently without interrupting me. If anything goes wrong, i can filter it from the NT Event Logger and restart them.
Electron Microscope is very functional, but needs UI polish. It reminds me of Windows 95. I am aware it is skinnable, but its not flexible enough to allow many different skins. Can anyone recommend a different program for monitoring? I spend most of time working with graphic design, so it *has* to be good ^_^
JohnV. I think you should add some links to front ends for the folding@home client.
The one I am using, which works very well, EMIII (Electron Microscope III).
Main EMIII page (http://home.attbi.com/~wxdude1/emsite/em3.html) - Help with installing and setting up EMIII (http://home.attbi.com/~wxdude1/emsite/help/index.html)
i spoke to soon.... it was working well, now it's not working at all! :mad:
screw this program... i'm just gonna use the "no hassles" command line version all by itself
anyways... i'm joinin the team. i guess it will add me once i get a work unit done.
and I'm giving up SETI@Home for this, by the way. I was up to 300+ WU's too. But this seems like a more worthy cause.
I found a program similar to Electron Microscope, but it looks nicer, and allows much better handling of monitoring multiple clients. Its called KDfold, and runs under linux too (it uses the Kylix UI library)
It has a tonne of other stuff too, will email, FTP your stats, monitor linux clients, do pretty much everything. It does take a *lot* of setting up and configuring, and learning, but once you have it sorted, its great.
http://www.kdfold.com/ (http://www.kdfold.com/)
(http://gosh.ex.ac.uk/~cs00mhp/kdfold.jpg)
Also see here:
Stats (http://gosh.ex.ac.uk/~cs00mhp/kdfold/snapx063.jpg) HTML Output (http://gosh.ex.ac.uk/~cs00mhp/kdfold/snapx064.jpg) Setup (http://gosh.ex.ac.uk/~cs00mhp/kdfold/snapx065.jpg) Visual Config (http://gosh.ex.ac.uk/~cs00mhp/kdfold/snapx066.jpg)
Yeah, I had seen that program too. Was gonna try it out but didn't have the time earlier. I'll see if I can get it to work for me. I really hate running just the command line version without a front end.
There're many such projects : Distributed Folding (http://www.distributedfolding.org/), folding@home (http://folding.stanford.edu/science.html), genome@home (http://gah.stanford.edu/), Sengent D2OL (http://www.d2ol.com/)...
Right.
I've been running the United Devices client for about two years now, on and off. I tried a few of them (such as D2OL (http://www.d2ol.com/), THINK (http://www.find-a-drug.org/) etc), basing my choice on the most appropriate use of my PC's power. The two I mentioned are both targetting a cure for SARS, amongst other projects. D2OL runs under Java on my PC which is pretty much unacceptable, memory wise. But THINK looks nice and optimized, and targets SARS, cancer, AIDS and various bioterrorism diseases.
Right now UD (http://www.grid.org/) are looking for a cure for cancer and also smallpox. I'm signed on with them. The client is small and very stable, and you can set up teams etc. Oh, and plus, it looks nice. So maybe we can organise some separate HA groups - Folding, UD, Seti (muffled chuckle), Grub, crack DES3 etc. Although protein folding looks interesting, it's a little too off-centre for my taste. I personally believe immediate molecular research into cures for the big stuff - cancer, SARS etc - is more worth my CPU cycles. If HA wanted to set up a THINK team I'd run it more permanently and join in - I kinda run both at the moment.
DarkAngel, how did you get your progress bars to go from left to right. oddly enough, mine are going from bottom to top, which makes no sence.
[edit] n/m... figured it out myself. duh Client Settings/Progress Bar Visuals
Right now UD (http://www.grid.org/) are looking for a cure for cancer and also smallpox. I'm signed on with them. The client is small and very stable, and you can set up teams etc. Oh, and plus, it looks nice. So maybe we can organise some separate HA groups - Folding, UD, Seti (muffled chuckle), Grub, crack DES3 etc. Although protein folding looks interesting, it's a little too off-centre for my taste. I personally believe immediate molecular research into cures for the big stuff - cancer, SARS etc - is more worth my CPU cycles. If HA wanted to set up a THINK team I'd run it more permanently and join in - I kinda run both at the moment.
You might want to read this:
http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtop...opic.php?t=1423 (http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=1423)
Imo folding is one of the most realistic projects out there, and also one of the most important..
Of course it's easy to advertize with words like cancer,sars and aids, but the reality may be a bit different.
Yeah, some companies will make money on my cost (power! I wll cool my cpu instead of starting seti o folding - less power usage and longer CPU live). This companies will not share their e.g. cure for cancer as we share our cpus poer - they will sell that, and i`m pretty sure, that price for this cure will be high enough (too high) to pump some companies with cash.
There's some time passed from your post but I would like to make sure that no one has any misconceptions about the project.
Quoting Folding@Home FAQ:
Unlike other distributed computing projects, Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it.
Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site.
Well, naturally they could be lying but I don't think so. I'm not that pessimistic. Folding@Home isn't run by a corporation (unlike United Devices), doesn't use patented algorithms (unlike distributedfolding) and has actually published some results (unlike everyone else). Not to mention that Folding@Home has a realistic set of goals without Aliens, AIDS and SARS hype.
In short, F@H is just about the finest distributed computing project one can participate in.
okay im there...
24/7 on my pc (barely does anything besides fold... listen to music, and serve ftp/http) and whenever on the other pc (used maybe 5 hrs daily). They are 1.5 GHz Athlon XP+ and 1GHz thunderbird, respectively.
expect some good numbers from me soon.
Imo folding is one of the most realistic projects out there, and also one of the most important..
Of course it's easy to advertize with words like cancer,sars and aids, but the reality may be a bit different.
You could read that the opposite way too - it's equally as easy to say that foundation research into why proteins misfold could at some stage benefit mankind by providing the path to cures by prevention, and to discard the idea of getting straight into targetting drug molecules to combat cancer as pointless because cancer isn't really cancer, but
multiple cancers all combined "under a single umbrella". I guess it all boils down to personal opinion and preference - stacks of people here know a great deal about music compression technology but I'm sure not as many (including myself) are biological research scientists with more than a passing clue about the truth behind all this distributed research. We're slaves to hype - and let's face it, when there are projects out there such as Distributed.net's OGR (http://www.distributed.net/ogr/), the idea of jumping in the number crunch pool with your mates to see who can grind the most cycles per week has got to be
far more fun and rewarding than the actual research itself. Golomb's rulers, for pete's sake? And Grub (http://www.grub.org/) is addition proof. Why on earth would you use your bandwidth AND CPU cycles - gratis - to crawl the web on behalf of a company which intends to cash in on your results?
Having said all that, I figure I might as well join in the HA F@H project. The graphics look like a Macromedia Flash project done up by Helen Keller, but I've convinced myself that it's probably just as worthwhile as running the UD agent - plus, there's that team appeal..
Joined !!!
(User name: Olaznog)
Imo folding is one of the most realistic projects out there, and also one of the most important..
Of course it's easy to advertize with words like cancer,sars and aids, but the reality may be a bit different.
You could read that the opposite way too - it's equally as easy to say that foundation research into why proteins misfold could at some stage benefit mankind by providing the path to cures by prevention, and to discard the idea of getting straight into targetting drug molecules to combat cancer as pointless because cancer isn't really cancer, but multiple cancers all combined "under a single umbrella". I guess it all boils down to personal opinion and preference - stacks of people here know a great deal about music compression technology but I'm sure not as many (including myself) are biological research scientists with more than a passing clue about the truth behind all this distributed research. We're slaves to hype - and let's face it, when there are projects out there such as Distributed.net's OGR (http://www.distributed.net/ogr/), the idea of jumping in the number crunch pool with your mates to see who can grind the most cycles per week has got to be far more fun and rewarding than the actual research itself. Golomb's rulers, for pete's sake? And Grub (http://www.grub.org/) is addition proof. Why on earth would you use your bandwidth AND CPU cycles - gratis - to crawl the web on behalf of a company which intends to cash in on your results?
Having said all that, I figure I might as well join in the HA F@H project. The graphics look like a Macromedia Flash project done up by Helen Keller, but I've convinced myself that it's probably just as worthwhile as running the UD agent - plus, there's that team appeal..
I finally finished a WU I'm so used to 3 hour WU's with SETI@Home that this 3+ day WU was really wierd for me I'll get used to it. And yes I know the sizes of WU's vary largely with Folding@Home.... thus you are ranked by a score instead of WU's. Only did 1 WU but was given 70.9 points Course it took a long time.
Having said all that, I figure I might as well join in the HA F@H project. The graphics look like a Macromedia Flash project done up by Helen Keller, but I've convinced myself that it's probably just as worthwhile as running the UD agent - plus, there's that team appeal..
lol. indeed it does. they really need to redo it if they want to get more people to use it.
me, I just use the command line version, so whatever.
Almost done my second 400 frame WU.
Incase anyone cares, which I doubt anyone does, I am running the command line version of Folding@Home with no front end. I simply have it shrunk down to the system tray so as to be out of the way. To do this, I use this awsome little program called "Tray It!" which does an outstanding job of controling, based on my settings, the minimize and close actions of any windows I choose. I have everything set up so I just have to double click a link I made to the Folding@Home EXE and the program is automatically minimized to the system tray as it begins crunchin away at wherever in a WU it left off.
No front end, no hassle
And now we're officially in the top 1000 Foding teams...
I finally finished a WU I'm so used to 3 hour WU's with SETI@Home that this 3+ day WU was really wierd for me I'll get used to it. And yes I know the sizes of WU's vary largely with Folding@Home.... thus you are ranked by a score instead of WU's. Only did 1 WU but was given 70.9 points Course it took a long time.
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lol. indeed it does. they really need to redo it if they want to get more people to use it.
Aha. But remember, the important thing is that running this software is supposed to help scientists conduct breakthrough research into cures for Altzheimer's, multi-cancer etc. It's not really about teams, hi-scores or fantastic looking graphical frontends...............
... or is it?
BTW, not sure why you don't just use the frontend? Mine starts up automatically, minimizes to the systray and goes to work - and it doesn't need Tray It.
It needs 20Mb of RAM though.
And now we're officially in the top 1000 Foding teams...
http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639 (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639)
Team ranking is 789 now. It's a long way up though, but seems that in the beginning we are climbing pretty fast.
Seems that Peter has some power machines folding all the time since he is leading the team quite nicely.
I'm already involved with a Distributed.net team but I'll direct some idle cycles to this HA F@H project as well. Go Team! *ahem*
<edit> *complaint about non-working signature removed* </edit>
OK,
I've been running UD Agent (http://www.ud.com) from GRID.ORG over 2 years in somewhat 10-15 computers, and all of them are already in one team.
I wish I could get HA's team, but Imagine I have to change them all. Some computers are 500 miles away from me!
Since most of them work in old Win98SE, I wonder:
1. Is Folding@Home really stable to run 2-3 days in Win98SE?
2. How much memory it eats?
3. Does it somehow bother you, or it is very quiet?
Also, anyone should add more details about what Folding@Home does,
'cause I won't give my precious cycles to SETI ETs, ANTHRAX, SMALLPOX and other BUSHit worries.
Best Regards
I can't comment on its stability under Win98SE as I'm using WinXP, but the task manager says that the console client and the core combine for a peak memory usage of about 7.5MB, with a normal memory usage under 4MB. I haven't had any problems with it in the few days I've been using it. I use TrayIt to minimize the client to the system tray to keep the taskbar free, so it's quite unobtrusive to me.
Anyone understand how the ranking system works? Ive noticed that i seem to get a higher ration of points to every work unit completed then most people on the time. Check
here (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639) and look up my nick and youll see what i mean. i only have six completed work units but im up in the list with people who have completed 10 while other people who have also completed six are much lower in the rankings. Does this have to do with which client you use or perhaps the speed with which the work unit is completed. I can usually complete a work unit in about 1 day and a half using the standard client that sits in the system tray. Im just curious because id figure id be a ways down in the rankings rather than 13th place.
Work units vary quite a bit in size (and thus the amount of time they take to complete) and so WU's that take longer to crunch are worth more points. As far as I know, it's a random process as to who gets what WU. You may find later that you're getting smaller point-value WU's and someone else gets the bigger one. I just finished my first so I'm waiting to see how many points it was worth.
Apparently we are competing with maximum pc. See here (http://www.maximumpc.com/features/feature_2003-06-10.html) for their tips on how to optimize the folding client. I personally would like to overtake them with their smug know it all attitudes.
Apparently we are competing with maximum pc. See here (http://www.maximumpc.com/features/feature_2003-06-10.html) for their tips on how to optimize the folding client. I personally would like to overtake them with their smug know it all attitudes.
I've read some of the top folding teams' dedicated web sites and forums a bit (ARS Technica, HardOCP etc..). Sometimes it feels they take the whole thing "a bit" too seriously.
I mean when there starts to be "flamewars" between teams, then there's something wrong..
If Team HydrogenAudio keeps growing bigger, I might consider starting a Team HA Folding@Home forum section, similar to many other sites, but I think it's clear that we have no "chances" against mammuth teams, and I think it's only good, based on what I noticed when browsing around...
Edit: How so are we competing with Maximum PC?!? Their team ranking is 10. Their WorkUnit count is 123350. Team HA ranking is about 450, Work Unit Count 368, and they have 18-times more processors working on it... so I don't think so.
How so are we competing with Maximum PC?!? Their team ranking is 10. Their WorkUnit count is 123350. Team HA ranking is about 450, Work Unit Count 368, and they have 18-times more processors working on it... so I don't think so
Come on johnv, wheres your competitive defiance?
Come on johnv, wheres your competitive defiance?
LOL Where is the line between competitive defiance and utter insanity? Though I'm glad you've posted a link to optimizing F@H. I'm going to check that out.
A question to those who've had their names on the stats list for a while - how long does it take after you finish a WU to see yourself on the list? I'm nearly done my 2nd WU but I'm not on the list yet. Am I just being impatient and paranoid, or is there a problem?
If Team HydrogenAudio keeps growing bigger, I might consider starting a Team HA Folding@Home forum section,
I think this is a reasonable idea. The team is up to 50+ members already, growing nicely.
A question to those who've had their names on the stats list for a while - how long does it take after you finish a WU to see yourself on the list? I'm nearly done my 2nd WU but I'm not on the list yet. Am I just being impatient and paranoid, or is there a problem?
It shoudn't be many hours, unless there is a problem with the server. Did you make sure you put the Team ID correctly? Also check from your log-file that the WU was sent and the server received it. What is your callsign at F@H?
Oops! My first work unit wasn't sent -- I checked the client's log files and it seems the F@H client couldn't connect to the server. Upon completing my second WU, the client sent both of them, so it appears everything is fine now. I'm still waiting to see my name on the stats page, but that should be soon. (Same username as here at HA.)
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All is well and I'm on the stats page, phew. I was a little worried there.
The team has moved into the top-400 now with 60 members, so we're still climbing fast.
JohnV, if you do start a F@H forum section, one of the topics I'd like to see is one where team members list what computers and how many computers they're running F@H on.
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We are breaking into top-300 very soon
http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639 (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639)
Well.. there's still only 52 active processors within a week. I'd like at least 100 before a specific forum.
Anyway, list your F@H machines and setups here. Mine is:
P4-3Ghz HT running one console client with idle priority, 100% cpu with affinity set to cpu1.
Athlon XP 1700+. Problem is I do a lot of video encoding.
Athlon XP2600+, running screen-saver. I do my video encoding on my back up system(Athlon XP2100+)
1.8GHz Celeron with the command line client at 100% though I'm also running distributed.net for Team Canada - the two share the idle cycles about 50/50 according to the Task Manager. I leave it running pretty much 24/7 with no trouble so far.
Yeah, we're ranked 302nd as of this writing, and I have a WU finishing up in a few minutes.
AMD 1500+ with 384Mb RAM
Graphical client using 65% of free CPU cycles
Everyone send a PM to JEN and ask her where she went. It was HER idea to run up the power bill and then she LEFT!
Hee, we are now in top-300
I think we have certainly chances to break into the top-100 team list page http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/searchteamstats (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/searchteamstats)
The 100th team has total score of about 103000, and we have about 30000 at the moment.
Everyone send a PM to JEN and ask her where she went. It was HER idea to run up the power bill and then she LEFT!
I haven't left yet!!!
I have just had to put folding to a side for a little while. But do not dispair, I will be back in fighting force
I need to borg my brothers PC somehow so I can get his PC to fold without him knowing about it
Is it possible to somehow install firedaemon and the commandline folding client on my computer, somehow convert all the needed files to an exe so I can quickly execute the exe file on his computer so everything will be setup including the team number etc.
Is this possible?
EDIT
is it possible to install and configure firedaemon and folding@home client using only a batch file ???
Maybe I'm missing something, but why are people using the command line client instead of the graphical one? Is it because it's faster at folding, it can be hidden from the systray completely, it uses less memory, or a combination of any or all of these? It just seems less straightforward to use command line and a separate tool to insert it into the systray than using the graphical client.
Folding machine: AthlonXP 2100, usually on 24x7. When I get a job I'll powerup.. and then 1st death ist death! (cracking knuckles) *8-)
Maybe I'm missing something, but why are people using the command line client instead of the graphical one? Is it because it's faster at folding, it can be hidden from the systray completely, it uses less memory, or a combination of any or all of these? It just seems less straightforward to use command line and a separate tool to insert it into the systray than using the graphical client.
Well.. I made a .bat file which starts the client and minimizes it to the systray using trayit. I watched the graphics for a while when I was using the screen saver, but had enough of it.
Maybe I'm missing something, but why are people using the command line client instead of the graphical one? Is it because it's faster at folding, it can be hidden from the systray completely, it uses less memory, or a combination of any or all of these? It just seems less straightforward to use command line and a separate tool to insert it into the systray than using the graphical client.
Folding machine: AthlonXP 2100, usually on 24x7. When I get a job I'll powerup.. and then 1st death ist death! (cracking knuckles) *8-)
Simply, that when i first used the GUI client i had stability problems with the interface. Also i a prefer command line apps and run the console version with the highest verbosity level, so i know what "really" going on. If you don't have problems with the grapical version, don't worry though, you will get no performance hit!
Another reason i like it, is that it provides a common interface when moving form one os to another as thery nearly all support the command line version.
Cheers
Kristian
I used to use, and will be again soon, the command line version. Because I was able to run it as a service which made it look like it was not there
Is it possible to somehow install firedaemon and the commandline folding client on my computer, somehow convert all the needed files to an exe so I can quickly execute the exe file on his computer so everything will be setup including the team number etc.
Is this possible?
I think it is. Although it's better to ask him to install it by himself, IMO.
Anyway here (http://www.hot.ee/nafigator/fah.zip) it is.
FireDaemon.exe, FireDaemonRT.dll, libxml2.dll, SvcAdmin.dll, FireDaemon.dtd (from firedaemon program dir) and naturally FAH3Console.exe should be in same folder as installer.
Transport whole dir to target pc, launch installer, and that's it, given that you're logged as admin. Yeah, and put name/team in cofig.ini.
To make it less noticebale, I'd install to system dir and uncheck 'create add/remove entry' perhaps.
It does the job here, maybe will work somewhere else, but, naturally, I'm not responsible for anything and stuff.
I need to borg my brothers PC somehow so I can get his PC to fold without him knowing about it
Just quoting from the F@H FAQ
Please only run Folding@Home on machines you either own or on which you have the permission of the owner to run our software. Any other use of Folding@Home violates our license agreement (and just isn't a good idea in general).
As a maybe extreme example there has been a lawsuit against an admin who did put rc55 distributed net clients on lots of campus computers. Just know how far you can go
Let's fold in peace.
--
Ge Someone
As cool as it might sound to have F@H running on every computer we can get our hands on, it's against the terms of service to run it without the computer owner's permission Jen.
Maybe I'm missing something, but why are people using the command line client instead of the graphical one? Is it because it's faster at folding, it can be hidden from the systray completely, it uses less memory, or a combination of any or all of these?
My computer has only 128MB of memory (for now at least, heheh) so that's my main concern. Plus watching the graphics gets boring quickly - I'd rather watch TV.
As of this writing we're ranked 272nd. I agree with you JohnV, we'll climb into the Top 100 eventually provided we keep slowly growing our team, and the present users keep folding. Go Team!
I'm annoyed, i've made a bit of a mess with my user name and teams.
When i first started i used the name KriTip, when HA team started my name turned out to be KriTip_ and i only reallised after 5 units done, so i wasn't going to change back. I then reinstalled the other day and spent 2 days folding a protein for the wrong team!! I typed in 32369 by mistake!! The unit only turned out to be 30 points as well which seemed strange.
Still caused me to drop form 7th to 8th!!
Is there anyway i can counteract this mess? perhaps moving all my KriTip_ work back to KriTip and removeing the user? Im not worried about givin the one work unit away though, it trippled that teams points!!
There probably isn't but i thought it couldn''t hurt to ask!
Kristian
Well, here's a good reason for some (such as myself) to switch from the graphical to the command-line client.
I had been experiencing something odd on my computer, although I never tied it into the Folding GUI client until today. Essentially it had to do with my tooltips - hovering the mouse over my systray icons showed sometimes long black rectangles with half the text missing, or the tooltip for the wrong icon etc. I went through a lot of utils, thinking this was some sort of system cache problem (I fiddle with that stuff all the time so this wasn't too far-fetched a theory). After several searches on Google I eventually stumbled upon THIS (http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?p=18693#18693) F@H forum article. As per koan's posting in that thread, I have a GeForce3 Ti200, the new nVidia drivers and XP SP1. I read a separate posting from Pando or whoever is the chief F@H guru, saying he couldn't reproduce it. Obviously troubleshooting this is substantially more difficult than the science of molecular biology.
I had no idea that the GUI client was causing this problem. Albeit minor in itself, several of my systray icons have important tooltip info which this was screwing with . Therefore, I have removed the GUI client and installed Electron Microscope III (http://www.em-dc.com) instead. It kicks in the console client, hides the DOS window, and has a reasonable display and set of features.
Kritip, I don't think anything can be changed. Here's what it says on the bottom on my individual F@H stats page:
If you have multiple team designations, you will see multiple records above. A given WU has a single username and team associated with it. This designation cannot be changed for WUs that have been already turned into our servers. You can change the team or username for future WUs in the config panel of the client.
So it seems that once a WU is submitted, it's permanent.
How nice of you to triple that teams WUs.
I also joined HA's team.
cya
Me too
Now , one question !
f@h = Folding at home
g@h = ???????
genome at home
Does anyone know when seti@home is releasing their next big thing? I remember reading it would be a client under which you could run as many projects as you liked, helping out with folding, genome, and seti all at once if you liked.. it sounded a nice idea, and is why I'm sticking with them.. I just haven't heard anything in the news for ever
Welcome to the team, guys.
Hmm, I haven't heard anything about a new SETI@Home client Mac, so I can't comment on when it'll be out. I run SETI@Home from time to time as well, maybe one WU/week. Having all the major distributed computing projects linked by one client is an interesting idea though.
<edit> We're nearly into the Top 200 now. </edit>
Thought I'd bump this up a bit... The team is now in the top 200 and I'd encourage anyone who's not currently signed up to give it a try. The Folding@Home client runs in the background and won't effect your other programs. And, unlike other distributed computing projects, this one actually generates useful scientific data.
Hydrogen Audio's Folding@Home team stats (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639)
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Folding@Home HydrogenAudio.org Team ID# 32639
http://folding.stanford.edu/ (http://folding.stanford.edu/)
Im amazed the entertainment value ive gotten out of watching my nick rise in the stats. I havent been home for about 2 weeks so my athlon has just been chugging away the whole time. I have a feeling fifth place is as high as im gonna go considering the competition up the ladder . It was nice to be king.
Hmm...we don't seem to have very many more people joining up now. We are seemingly stuck at around 50 active processors. Oh well....
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I might remotely consider this so called folding research if I was to be promised my fair percentage of the profits from any cancer treatment drugs or other "innovations" that will be produced with the help of this research.
*sigh* You haven't read anything about folding@home project at all obviously. One thing which pisses me off are arrogant uninformed people who judge things without better knowledge, be it anything from listening tests to any project, without reading first how things works and what it is all about.
A small quote from the F@H FAQ:
Who "owns" the results? What will happen to them?
Unlike other distributed computing projects, Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it.
Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site.
And unlike other projects, F@H has actually already delivered what it promises in the above quote.
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Sounds to me like I'm donating into a black hole. I often wonder how many "breakthroughs" and "discoveries" have made by scientists who are stealing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmerely standing on the shoulders of others who did the real work. Who benefits? When did science become business?
How is creating publicly available information about protein folding same as "donating into a black hole"??.
I suggest you read the F@H forums here:
http://forum.folding-community.org/index.php?c=4 (http://forum.folding-community.org/index.php?c=4)
Edit 2: JohnV, now it looks like you modified your post to include the same quote I already quoted here. You don't have a last edit date being added being an Admin I guess.
Now? I looked the FAQ and added it there within a minute after my first post. I didn't include anything from your post.
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Hmm...we don't seem to have very many more people joining up now. We are seemingly stuck at around 50 active processors. Oh well....
Right now, I'm not contributing much 'cause I'm on vacations and I brought my PC with me to my home town, where I don't have a broadband connection. I also have to keep the PC disconnected most of the time 'cause the power supply is pretty irregular, since the big summer fires started here in Portugal.
HOT HOT HOT!
cya
Hmm...we don't seem to have very many more people joining up now. We are seemingly stuck at around 50 active processors. Oh well....
Right now, I'm not contributing much 'cause I'm on vacations and I brought my PC with me to my home town, where I don't have a broadband connection. I also have to keep the PC disconnected most of the time 'cause the power supply is pretty irregular, since the big summer fires started here in Portugal.
HOT HOT HOT!
cya
Yeah, I've been taking a break also because of the very hot weather since I didn't want to torture my new CPU
But the worst heat seems to be over, and I'll get back home soon and start folding again.
I'm testing my cooler's ability to disperse heat and additionally heating up my room - I like it
(oh, it's summer already? well, it's around 30 degrees Celsius outside )
Anyway, try this little tool to monitor temperature and possibly make your PC quieter - SpeedFan (http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php).
Don't forget to set 'shutdown temperature' in your BIOS, to save the computer if cooling system gets dead or less efficient!
Wow TrNSZ, nobody is saying you HAVE TO join the team hence no need to be so negative about Folding@Home. If you do the research and still think the project is a waste of time/cycles/whatever, then don't get involved. It's that simple. A lot of other people disagree and are interested in the project. I don't care if I don't get paid for this. We're donating our cycles. I'm interested in helping advance this science in some small way.
To the team: I've been focusing on distributed.net for a couple of weeks (I downloaded way too many work units, trying to get through them lol), but will get back to F@H before long.
bump.....any new members of the board interested in joining the team should do so - it's for a good cause .
Download Link: http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/r...lding@Home3.EXE (http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/release/Folding@Home3.EXE)
Team: 32639
Team Stats: http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639 (http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32639)
Joined.
Damn, electricity prices around here are much too high for me to donate any cycles now.
In case anyone cares, the clients have been updated somewhere last week.
Have a look here (http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/download.html) if you like.
After primarily being a lurker at this forum, I've just joined the HA.org team after seeing a reference to it in John33's signature.
I currently have two PCs running it under Linux (my P4 server w/ 896MB of RAM, and my PII-333MHz router with 256MB of RAM). I'll probably set it up on my Windows box tomorrow as well...
I stopped for a while since I had to use that machine for simulations. But now, I'm starting again.
HA still active . Have joined.
HA Stats:
Active CPUs within 50 days: 43
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate): 235 of 34797
Proud to say I joined the team and have been crunching 24/7.
I used to be part of the p2p-community team, but must say that HA is more up my alley as far as interest goes. Not that the team you are on makes any real-world difference to the folding research, AFAIK.
Just joined
Unfortunatelly you don't seem to be very active here either. My team (CSB) was once really good, but has now only three active folders left :/
though I'd bump this thread...so maybe some newer members will join
I just joined the team, I used to fold for a linux distros team, but I no longer use it on any of my computers, and hydrogenaudio isn't exactly something I'll ever stop using
I'm running 2 cpus
Athlon 64 2800+ and a 500MHz PIII
The PIII is my server so it'll be giving 100% cpu all the time...I use the computer w/ the Athlon 64 a lot but it still seems to finish workunits before the old PIII
I just found out about this and joined up. My wife was diagnosed with breast cancer just over a year ago (at age 36!). She finished her last treatment in February and is doing fine now. Thank you to the thread starter for sharing this info. And thanks to everyone here who is loaning some CPU!
Yep, I'm happy to say that my brand spanking new Core 2 Duo E6600 system is currently crunching F@H for HA. Damn this system is powerful!
Yep, I'm happy to say that my brand spanking new Core 2 Duo E6600 system is currently crunching F@H for HA. Damn this system is powerful!
apparently, if you want to really contribute to F@H, you better buy an ATI X1900 ...
"The Folding@Home project has put forth some impressive performance numbers with the GPU client that's designed to work with the ATI X1900. According to the client statistics, there are 448 registered GPUs that produce 29 TFLOPS. Those 448 GPUs outperform the combined 25,050 CPUs registered by the Linux and Mac OS clients."
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/2030253 (http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/2030253)
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats (http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats)
apparently, if you want to really contribute to F@H, you better buy an ATI X1900 ...
Yes, it would indeed appear so. Unfortunately I went for the silent computing route and opted for a passively cooled GeForce 7600GS instead of a high end ATI. Not much use for F@H
But the fact that a display adapter crunches numbers better than a CPU is pretty impressive (and curious)...
apparently, if you want to really contribute to F@H, you better buy an ATI X1900 ...
Or buy a PS3
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33905 (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33905)
Joined.
... annnnddddd the top-scorer for Folding @ Home team Hydrogenaudio.org is:
http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py...ername=cmokruhl (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=32639&username=cmokruhl)
Congrats!
( Damn, nearly 2x the #2 top-scorer )
Bump! so new users can see we have a team. (http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=32639)
Who are these new interlopers challenging my top 3 status? They must have those newfangled Playstation dealies.
We're almost top 300 with only 42 CPUs contributing.. a few more people and we can definitely break top 250. Let's go! Folding@Home homepage (http://folding.stanford.edu/)
Rather have electricsheep working...
Thought I'd bump this topic.
Switched my PS3 over to the HA team a while back, figured I'd stick with a community I'd never leave. Might actually build up a decent score instead of folding for every Linux distro or car forum I'm on for a few months before I move on and switch teams.
The team is 32639 for anyone newer reading this, as it's been almost 2 years since this post was bumped.
How many active folders does the HAteam have right now?