di.fm (http://www.di.fm) now offers AAC+/HE-AAC streams for all of their streaming radio stations.
According to Foobar2000 0.8.3 they're 128kbps HE-AAC streams?? This sounds weird. Haven't checked in the latest Winamp yet.
bitrate = 128
channels = 2
codec = HE AAC
samplerate = 44100
aac_header_type = ADTS
aac_profile = AAC HE
Anyway - good quality! I really hope more internet radio stations will offer this. MP3 is outdated as a streaming format.
UPDATE:According to DI.FM forums/admins their AACplus/HE-AAC streams is 24kbps!. So, there must be a error in Foobar2000 0.8.3 since it reports the streams as 128kbps!
Also, they are using the Coding Technologies encoder.
Hmm how do you play these files on fb2k? I get "Unexpected fill element with SBR data", "Maximum number of scalefactor bands exceeded" (on latest foo_faac.dll). Are they really 128kbps? Is there a way to save the streamed data ?
Hmm how do you play these files on fb2k? I get "Unexpected fill element with SBR data". Are they really 128kbps? Is there a way to save the streamed data ?
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In foobar2000, hit CTRL-O and paste this link: [a href="http://www.di.fm/aacplus/trance.pls]http://www.di.fm/aacplus/trance.pls[/url]
There are ofcourse different links for each radio channel.
Worked fine for me, with Foobar2000 0.8.3 Special Installer.
Hmm how do you play these files on fb2k? I get "Unexpected fill element with SBR data", "Maximum number of scalefactor bands exceeded" (on latest foo_faac.dll).
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Are you using "Modified foo_input_std to recognise LAME VBR profiles"?
It doesn't work.
foobar cannot (correctly) report the bitrates of MP4/AAC streaming yet.
http://www.tuner2.com/ (http://www.tuner2.com/) <- This is some sort of "shoutcast list" for aac and he-aac streams.
According to them, the streams are 24kbit/s , while the house channel offers a 40kbit/s channel.
There are others stations that offer streams at 64kbits/s aswell,
PS. Btw... better not to talk about the "quality" column...
I've been listening to DI.FM hardcore at 24kbps for days now. Joyous!
Ruairi
Hmm how do you play these files on fb2k? I get "Unexpected fill element with SBR data", "Maximum number of scalefactor bands exceeded" (on latest foo_faac.dll).
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Are you using "Modified foo_input_std to recognise LAME VBR profiles"?
It doesn't work.
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I'm having the same problem. What is the solution anyone?
Not quite sure how to phrase this, but is 24kbps AAC really worth listening to? I can't believe it is worth bothering with.. Don't they offer something better in MP3 or WMA anyway?
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Not quite sure how to phrase this, but is 24kbps AAC really worth listening to? I can't believe it is worth bothering with.. Don't they offer something better in MP3 or WMA anyway?
[Mr. Rc55, this site needs to see THE avatar]
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Deep house and progressive trance are 40 kbps (ps?) he-aac. They are listenable.
Hmm how do you play these files on fb2k? I get "Unexpected fill element with SBR data", "Maximum number of scalefactor bands exceeded" (on latest foo_faac.dll).
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Are you using "Modified foo_input_std to recognise LAME VBR profiles"?
It doesn't work.
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I'm having the same problem. What is the solution anyone?
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Don't use third party foo_input_std's? The offical build is newer and has some fixes for this. The problem is that the CodingTech software will send incomplete frames just after you have connected (instead of waiting and then sending a full one).
Not quite sure how to phrase this, but is 24kbps AAC really worth listening to? I can't believe it is worth bothering with..
24kbps PS-AAC should sound pretty good. It's not CD quality but it's very listenable (IMHO).
Sorry, no offence intended to anyone
In Lame terms, what would we say 24kbps PS-AAC, and 40kbps HE-AAC are equivalent to?
Edit: I will give it a listen when I get home tonight, that sort of thing is right up my street, but the quality has never been good enough for me..
Sorry, no offence intended to anyone
In Lame terms, what would we say 24kbps PS-AAC, and 40kbps HE-AAC are equivalent to?
Edit: I will give it a listen when I get home tonight, that sort of thing is right up my street, but the quality has never been good enough for me..
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Why don't you try to listen to them yourself?
[a href="http://www.di.fm/aacplus/trance.pls]24kbps aacPlus[/url]
96kbps mp3 (http://www.di.fm/mp3/trance.pls)
32kbps WMA9 (http://www.di.fm/wma/trance.asx) (requires WMP, though).
All those are the same channel. The "Trance" channel on di.fm (http://www.di.fm)
Don't use third party foo_input_std's? The offical build is newer and has some fixes for this. The problem is that the CodingTech software will send incomplete frames just after you have connected (instead of waiting and then sending a full one).
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I was having the same problem because I forgot that I had switched to the modified foo_input_std.dll. I downloaded [a href="http://sjeng.org/ftp/fb2k/]this one[/url] instead and now it works great. I'm not sure that it's the official dll but it works for me. If you are getting error messages for foo_faac.dll then you definitely need to upgrade because that dll has, AFAIK, been rendered obsolete by the latest foo_input_std.dll.
Once I got foobar streaming properly, I compared the Modern Jazz streams at DI.fm. First I listened to the 32kbps WMA stream (http://www.di.fm/wma/jazz.asx) on WMP. The artifacts made it unlistenable to me. I then listed to the AAC stream (http://www.di.fm/aacplus/jazz.pls) in foobar2k and found it very listenable.
So I recommend that all skeptics try out the AAC streams as I think they will be pleasantly surprised.
This is very sweet!
I really like the quality, at least compared to the 96kbit MP3 streams and the 32kbit WMA9 streams (I get popping noises on both). While its not the best quality available, it is definatly impressive.
Edit: Well I just tried the 96kbit stream for the first time in months and I should say it does sound pretty good. They must have tweaked it since I last listened. But I'll stay with the 24kbit aac+
Its good for me since most of the music I listen to is via online radio, and I use alot of bandwidth typically, so any savings like this can be a good thing. Also when running something like bittorrent, the upload gets maxed out, and I can't download enough data to stream consistently even at 96kbit sometimes. 24kbit hasnt cut out yet..
They are streaming at 24kbit according to Winamp and DU Meter.
My god... THAT is 24 kb/s?? AAC is an awesome codec. Wow.
It's not the cleanest, most pristine sounding audio, but it's 24kb/s. I'm very, very impressed. I thought AAC sounded much worse than that at even ~48 kb/s!
[EDIT]
I'm getting frequent "blips" in the audio stream. I think it might be because I'm ripping a CD, but maybe AAC doesn't handle packet loss well or something... comments on this?
This (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/radio/services/thecurrent/) has been around for several weeks (I have been listening to it for about as month now)
He-AAC 128kbps
Sounds great to me.
In fact, got me in love with that codec...
BTw, does anyonw know if these streams can be saved in their native format? If so, how?
This (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/radio/services/thecurrent/) has been around for several weeks (I have been listening to it for about as month now)
He-AAC 128kbps
I didn't find a link to that?
Note that foobar2000 will report streaming AAC bitrate incorrectly and always report 128kbps regardless of the true bitrate.
HE-AAC at 128kbps is total overkill, unless you're broadcasting in 5.1
According to Winamp, it's 48kbps.
I didn't find a link to that?
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[a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/tools/play/kcmp.pls]There[/url] you go Garf.
Is this really 48k? Is my compression-pleasure threshold that low?
Because it sounds great to me...
Damn...
Is this really 48k? Is my compression-pleasure threshold that low?
Because it sounds great to me...
it's probably more a compliment to the codec than a degradation of your ears.
Note that foobar2000 will report streaming AAC bitrate incorrectly and always report 128kbps regardless of the true bitrate.
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I'm using foobar to listen to SomaFM's 48k AAC stream of Groove Salad and foobar just lists it as ?kbps, but not 128.
According to Winamp, it's 48kbps.
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My network trafic is 3KB/s when listening those AAC+ streams. So the 24kbps is more likely true.
It is impressive for 24kbps or 48kbps.. But... well, it just seems a few years late.. Other sites do 192kbps (admittedly mp3) streams, and they sound.. well, better. I'm impressed for 48kbps, and REAL impressed for 24kbps, but I am left with a vague feeling of "Whats the point"?
It is impressive for 24kbps or 48kbps.. But... well, it just seems a few years late.. Other sites do 192kbps (admittedly mp3) streams, and they sound.. well, better. I'm impressed for 48kbps, and REAL impressed for 24kbps, but I am left with a vague feeling of "Whats the point"?
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Not everybody has a broadband connection. 56kbps modem and perhaps even GPRS can handle 24kbps stream which is a good thing. If one likes to listen DI's music for free, aac+ is good choice.
I'm listening to http://streams.riverhosting.net:8012 (http://streams.riverhosting.net:8012). How do I know my Winamp decoder decodes HE-AAC (and not, for example, only the AAC part, disregarding the SBR part)?
Winamp displays for this stream 24 kbps, 16 kHz.
Not everybody has a broadband connection.
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That, and some people having volume caps, so they don't want to waste most of their cap on online radio.
I'm listening to http://streams.riverhosting.net:8012 (http://streams.riverhosting.net:8012). How do I know my Winamp decoder decodes HE-AAC (and not, for example, only the AAC part, disregarding the SBR part)?
Winamp displays for this stream 24 kbps, 16 kHz.
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coz it's mp3 stream, try [a href="http://160.79.128.40:7050]http://160.79.128.40:7050[/url] for aac+
try http://160.79.128.40:7050 (http://160.79.128.40:7050) for aac+
Thank you for the URL. I get 44 kHz sampling rate in Winamp 5.08d. Does that mean that the SBR part is also decoded?
Thank you for the URL. I get 44 kHz sampling rate in Winamp 5.08d. Does that mean that the SBR part is also decoded?
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I bet you can hear it too, not only read. Of course it is.
Is there a way to save the streamed data ?
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My modified [a href="http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/input.php#31]foo_read_http[/url] saves aac stream fine, although with .mp3 extension (hack-fixed software rant goes here ). Rename the file and foobar will play it just fine.
I'd like to know if these audio streams are transcoded from other lossy sources. Probably nobody knows for sure... but would an organization like di.fm go through the trouble of obtaining lossless audio sources for everything?
If it *is* lossy, then the AAC transcodes sound pretty sweet!
It is impressive for 24kbps or 48kbps.. But... well, it just seems a few years late.. Other sites do 192kbps (admittedly mp3) streams, and they sound.. well, better. I'm impressed for 48kbps, and REAL impressed for 24kbps, but I am left with a vague feeling of "Whats the point"?
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Not everybody has a broadband connection. 56kbps modem and perhaps even GPRS can handle 24kbps stream which is a good thing. If one likes to listen DI's music for free, aac+ is good choice.
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Well I tried playing some of the 32kbps streams on Tuner2 over a GPRS connection to my Mac (playing using VLC) and they all played perfectly and sounded great! I think that 32kbps is realistically the most that GPRS can handle though. I'll have to try some of the 40/48kbps streams to see if it can handle them. But for 32kbps, I AM impressed.
I have tried to listen to the radio using mplayer:
mplayer -playlist "http://www.di.fm/aacplus/eurodance.pls"
The result is:
MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.3 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel Pentium 4/Xeon/Celeron Foster (Family: 8, Stepping: 9)
Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
Resolving www.di.fm for AF_INET...
Connecting to server www.di.fm[160.79.128.9]:80 ...
Cache size set to 320 KBytes
Connected to server: www.di.fm
Unknown entry type Version=2
Entry 2 don't have a file !!!!
Playing http://160.79.128.40:7010.
Connecting to server 160.79.128.40[160.79.128.40]:7010 ...
Name : D I G I T A L L Y - I M P O R T E D - EuroDance & HiNRG - Finest import
ed cheese on the net!
Genre : Eurodance HiNRG Pop Italo
Website: http://www.di.fm
Public : yes
Bitrate: 24kbit/s
Cache size set to 320 KBytes
Connected to server: 160.79.128.40
Cache fill: 5.00% (16384 bytes)
Exiting... (End of file)
mplayer exits immediately after 5% of its cache has been filled. It seems that it doesn't recognise the format of the data.
It does recognise the mp3 format when running:
mplayer -playlist "http://www.di.fm/mp3/eurodance.pls"
So what can I do to convince it to play the he-aac stream?
Regards,
Radudumi
I'd like to know if these audio streams are transcoded from other lossy sources. Probably nobody knows for sure... but would an organization like di.fm go through the trouble of obtaining lossless audio sources for everything?
If it *is* lossy, then the AAC transcodes sound pretty sweet!
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I bet you won't notice, since almost everything that could sound significantly worse due a transcoding is already pretty well crippled by such low bitrate.
yeps saw that today
and i was like WOW
its a BOON to us low broadbanders
the stream sounded lovely on my 96kb line
and anyways .aac is the a lovely format
so double WOOT