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Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

This has probably been mentioned before so I apologise in advance.

But I downloaded the vorbis dlls from rarewares just then (the ICL 7 compile) to put in my brand new and shiny cdex 1.50 and encoded one of my cds.  When I looked at the vendor of my ogg vorbis files, they are:

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308

rather than the usual

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717

So am I using a cool new snazzy updated and better sounding vorbis encoder?  Or is it the same Vorbis 1.0?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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This has probably been mentioned before so I apologise in advance.

But I downloaded the vorbis dlls from rarewares just then (the ICL 7 compile) to put in my brand new and shiny cdex 1.50 and encoded one of my cds.  When I looked at the vendor of my ogg vorbis files, they are:

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308

rather than the usual

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717

So am I using a cool new snazzy updated and better sounding vorbis encoder?  Or is it the same Vorbis 1.0?

You are using updated libraries. The use of these was recommended by Monty at Xiph.Org, so I used them!!  However, I doubt you will notice any real quality difference, but if you're willing to wait a short while, Garf's tuned libs for -q5, and above, should be available for use.

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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does this mean we'll see gt3 soon™ ?

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does this mean we'll see gt3 soon™ ?

Well, Garf has already indicated that he will release his current source, so as soon as that happens........

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

Reply #4 –
well, will it be gt3 final or beta 2 ?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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Benjamin: It will be GT3 beta 1. Garf's a bit busy at the moment as far as I know, so he can't get much work done yet.

From reading the gt3 beta 2 thread it seemed to me that beta 2 gave higher quality outputs at the same bitrate but using the quality settings gave much larger than usual (i.e. with the xiph versions) bitrates. I'll have another read. If this IS the case, then I wonder if Garf would be willing to release the gt3 beta 2 sources as well?

Thanks
superdumprob
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"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

Reply #6 –
I already released GT3b2 sources, but IMHO it's not better than beta1.

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

Reply #7 –
Fair enough, thanks anyway.
superdumprob
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"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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but what would that be good for except for building oggdrop etc on it ? will there be people working on it ?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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I already released GT3b2 sources, but IMHO it's not better than beta1.

Where is encoder? Where is that source?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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I already released GT3b2 sources, but IMHO it's not better than beta1.

Where is encoder? Where is that source?

http://users.pandora.be/sjeng/ftp/vorbis/

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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You are using updated libraries. The use of these was recommended by Monty at Xiph.Org, so I used them!!   However, I doubt you will notice any real quality difference, but if you're willing to wait a short while, Garf's tuned libs for -q5, and above, should be available for use.

Oh.  It got me excited at first  But I'm looking forward to seeing GT3 dlls.

Just a question that a bit off the point:  If I remember, GT3 leads to higher bitrates for the same quality settings than Vorbis 1.0.  So does that mean that if I rescale my quality settings down to achieve a similar nominal bitrate as Vorbis 1.0, will GT3 still sound better at the same bitrate?

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Quote from: QuantumKnot,May 12 2003 - 06:20 AM
Quote from: john33,May 11 2003 - 11:03 PM
If I remember, GT3 leads to higher bitrates for the same quality settings than Vorbis 1.0.  So does that mean that if I rescale my quality settings down to achieve a similar nominal bitrate as Vorbis 1.0, will GT3 still sound better at the same bitrate?

I asked a similar question of Garf and he said that it should sound better.  But of course it's worth testing - Garf is merely superhuman, not infallible!

Cheers, Paul

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Neat

I downloaded and compiled Garf's libvorbis for Mac OS X. Do I send the binaries to RareWares now or wait until the source for beta 1 is released?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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I already released GT3b2 sources, but IMHO it's not better than beta1.

Any chances for GT3b1 sources?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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Cobra, did you read this thread ?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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Cobra: From the GTx.dll thread....

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The source for GT3b1 is not available, but I will make it available, since I have no time to work on it right now.


Garf will be releasing them sometime soon.
superdumprob
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"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein

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Does anyone know where we can obtain these updated libraries?

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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Does anyone know where we can obtain these updated libraries?

We have to wait for Garf to release them.

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I mean the one's which Monty recommended.  The ones on vorbis.com are still the old ones.

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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I mean the one's which Monty recommended.  The ones on vorbis.com are still the old ones.

If you want the binaries, they're the ones at RareWares that are marked 'Post 1.0'. If you want the libraries, download them from the CVS, or you can get a nightly snapshot if you don't want to use the CVS software. Get them via vorbis.com.

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

Reply #21 –
strange... when i add tags to ogg files the Xiph.Org libVorbis I info changes from 20030308 to 20011231.

btw, what's this serial thing? i'm using "-s 1" for my encodes because i don't like this long number, but i don't know why  this future of ogg is unnecessary, isn't it? Ô_o

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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strange... when i add tags to ogg files the Xiph.Org libVorbis I info changes from 20030308 to 20011231.

What are you using to tag those files? There was (is?) a bug in the WinAMP plugin that does that.

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btw, what's this serial thing? i'm using "-s 1" for my encodes because i don't like this long number, but i don't know why

You don't want to do that. Each Ogg on your computer should have a unique serial number.

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030308?

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btw, what's this serial thing? i'm using "-s 1" for my encodes because i don't like this long number, but i don't know why  this future of ogg is unnecessary, isn't it? Ô_o

If you try chaining (concatenating) the ogg files that all have the same serial number, you'll see the importance of it!!

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Reply #24 –
Yeah, i used WinAmp because "-c" didn't work or I was just too stupid to use the command properly