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Real One Player Plus!

Hi, I always liked the Real One Player but I heard about a montly subscription and I said forget it, but now in his website, there is a link to get the player (Plus) for Us 19.00 (One time pay). Does anyone have this player alone? without the montly subscription?. What is the catch?.  Thanks in advance. This is the link:
Real One Player Plus

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Reply #1 –
Why the **** do you want RealPun?

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Reply #2 –
Why in the Lord's name would anybody use, let alone pay for RealOne?    Seriously, Turbo, look elsewhere. For less money (i.e. free) you can get your hands on much better players that don't spy on you and don't rob your system's file extensions away from other (better) software.

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Reply #3 –
Recently I bought a Sony MZ-NF610 MD player, and that's the only ****** player with a plugin for it. Besides, doesnt sound too bad. I do have them all: MediaJukebox, Winamp 2.90, Foobar. I am sick of all. MediaJukebox is buggy, Winamp doesnt work good with large libraries as a manager, Foobar doesnt sound as distorted as I want (No regular EQ), so Real One plus is my only next option. I am frustrated with all these players. :'(

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Reply #4 –
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Recently I bought a Sony MZ-NF610 MD player...

Why did you buy a MiniDisc player? An almost proprietary format which has no distinct advantage and creates sound loss during transfer of your digital music...
The object of mankind lies in its highest individuals.
One must have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star.

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Reply #5 –
Second Time I've Said This:

How to write a RealAudio compression program:
1. Whack yourself in the head until you are deaf. This step is very important.
2. Dip your head in boiling water so as to scour out any remnants of your eardrums.
3. Program some little crappy thing in Tcl that randomly generates sound frequencies according to the pixels in a GIF image.
4. Sell it for $20 per license.
5. Become rich.
6. Buy a small country.
7. Be assassinated.

Have fun. Remember, you have to be deaf before any of the other steps make any sense.

-:Lord_nightrose...

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Reply #6 –
Why I bought an MD?. I dont know, but I listened some transfered mp3s and I like how it sounded. When you transfer digital music to it, uff sounds incredible. Better than any mp3 players. I can put 33 songs (lp2) in a 2.00 MD and sounds better than any 128mbs mp3. I transcode my insane mpc's to mp3 (--alt preset -stardard) and then this puppy transcode it to Atrac format on the MD. Weird but it works.

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Why did you buy a MiniDisc player? An almost proprietary format which has no distinct advantage and creates sound loss during transfer of your digital music...


Dont like the tone (despite factual-ness)

I dont know what other people use their minidisc player for, but for me, it is:

1) A rather excellent on-push-bike sound system, before decent mp3 (and even CDDA) players were about.

2) A method of recording my DJ sets that can be carried in a pocket, and hooked up to any mixer really easily.

3) If you didnt have a PC, it was a cheap and infinitely superior alternative to tapes.

4) The user / newbie friendlyness of it - which has had long term connotations, and numerous threads such as "WOW, if only I could encode to Minidisc format on the PC, ATRAC sounds better than any MP3 at 320kbps", I admit.  Just press record.  Imagine how much of a better place the world would be if there were no settings, just --api with MP3.  People would be raving about the quality to high heaven.

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Reply #8 –
Double transcode..  :x
Juha Laaksonheimo

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Reply #9 –
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Double transcode..  :x

Not surprising given this statement:

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Foobar doesnt sound as distorted as I want


I guess he likes crappy sound....

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Reply #10 –
Double transcode is not all the time. Can be transcode it to wave (Or even better CDA) and then sent to atrac. You can plug the Mdplayer to your digital cd rom output, sound card or dvd player and you get a state of the art wave algorithm file on your MD. FYI.

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Why I bought an MD?. I dont know, but I listened some transfered mp3s and I like how it sounded. When you transfer digital music to it, uff sounds incredible. Better than any mp3 players. I can put 33 songs (lp2) in a 2.00 MD and sounds better than any 128mbs mp3. I transcode my insane mpc's to mp3 (--alt preset -stardard) and then this puppy transcode it to Atrac format on the MD. Weird but it works.

Gosh, TURBO. Whatever you're saying is inherently contradictory. When you transcode you're bound to lose some information. The reason it might sound good in ATRAC is because of the way the sound is distorted    And double transcode is bound to destroy lots of that sound. That's why I don't like Sony, they force you into their stupid ways to prevent file sharing. Minidisc+Atrac+RealOne is a bad combination. Instead people should use gadgets in which consumer has the freedom and not forced to use RealCrap.
The object of mankind lies in its highest individuals.
One must have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star.
 

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Reply #12 –
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Foobar doesnt sound as distorted as I want


That is the statement of a lifetime.

I want to get that message to everyone.  Change the logo of the FB2k forums to a wordarty version of it.

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Reply #13 –
Maybe you guys are right but I like to listen music with lots of clean bass, mids and treble. I now all these EQ's, DSP's, enhancers distort music but I love it. I like to inmerse myself in a cloud of waves where I reach the point of not return. I am not the audiophile, that I used to be. Love My MD to death, specially at night when you can hear the sound of silence

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Reply #14 –
I must say I like the DSP effects too. And I use TDS Audio Enhancer (a hardware box) for my home stereo. But those devices don't lose digital information, they just shape and distort the sound into something I like. I can agree that ATRAC sounds nice but it's digital quality loss which you cannot bring back. An equalizer or another kind of enhancer that produces the same effect on your music would sound much better. A LP2 ATRAC at 132kbps could objectively not sound good with all the information lost otherwise the record companies would be adding intentional noise.
The object of mankind lies in its highest individuals.
One must have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star.

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Reply #15 –
I suspect the Minidiscs come with high quality earphones, whilst most of the mp3 players have very, very cheap ear buds. If you were in a shop you might be tempted by the sony...

BTW I have approched sony about adding a 3rd choice for Minidisc support, we will have to see.

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I suspect the Minidiscs come with high quality earphones, whilst most of the mp3 players have very, very cheap ear buds. If you were in a shop you might be tempted by the sony...

BTW I have approched sony about adding a 3rd choice for Minidisc support, we will have to see.

Actually, MD players come with those horrible $6 lightweight things from Sony. My theory on why many people claim that MD players sound so "good": 1.) The S/N ratio on most MD portables is better than any MP3 player that I have owned; the two MD player/recorders that I used to own (before I gave up on MD about a year ago) had absolutely no hiss, even at high volumes. My Creative Zen "claimed" a S/N ratio of 98dB, but that was obviously a moot point considering that I heard a low-level crackling every time the motor on the HDD spun up! 2.) Sony's megabass is a bit "thicker" and boomier than the bass boost found on the MP3 players that I've had, again possibly giving some people the *illusion* that ATRAC (and thus, MD) sounds better than MP3. In actuality, when I did get around to ABX'ing wavs from ATRAC recordings I had made from CD's, I found that LAME 3.90.2 sounded significantly better using --alt-preset standard than SP 292kbps ATRAC-R  (p<.05), notably in the area of pre-echo, which ATRAC seems to have some problems with.

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Reply #17 –
I've gotta say that while most of the points raised here against MD contain fact, the tone is a bit over the top. Not the most encouraging. HA might have a no flames policy, but some of the more pointed responses at naive comments get a bit close sometimes.

In Turbo's defence, I also have an MD, and my Oggs, MP3s and Musepack files sound fantastic to me during "real world" listening, even after the transcoding taking place, with the cheap buds that came with it, and other more expensive headphones. 

@ spoon

I'm guessing from your post that we may see an ATRAC capability in some of the dbpoweramp stuff in the future. Cool...  B)  It's always nice to have alternatives, although I have settled into something rocks my MD, see below.

@ turbo

Try foobar. I now use it exclusively to feed my MD. First I pick my songs and get the order I want. Once my total playlist time matches a full MD, I then write them to harddisk with foobar's diskwriter as wavs with replaygain enabled, and set up to write the files with track-artist-title in the file names. Then I import these into my Sony software and zap them across to MD. Afterwards I can then delete the wav files or whatever, without worrying about the Sony 3 times check in and out limit. It works really well, and the quality is excellent. I can mix and match my oggs, mp3s and mpcs without any hassles, and I still get the titles on my MD.

If you want to tweak your sound, or use the cross feed plug ins, etc, you can do that too by enabling the DSP when disk writing, although I generally leave the sound alone, except up the gain slightly.

I ran with Realone for a while and it isn't bad, but I got sick of all the messages, ads, etc that kept coming up. Sometimes the Sony plug in will stop working, which is a pain, and Realone doesn't support MPC and Ogg if I recall correctly. The Sony software also has its moments as you know, and sometimes chokes on high bitrate, or VBR MP3s. It also doesn't handle Ogg and MPC of course. There is also Mu32MD which does MP3 and Ogg, but it is a bit fiddly, and no Musepack.

Foobar does everything... 

Hope this helps

Den.

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Reply #18 –
By: TURBO (Posted on Apr 10 2003 - 10:53 PM)
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Can be transcode it to wave (Or even better CDA)


Wave, or better yet Wave      ??? CDA and Wave files are the same thing TURBO (That is, unless you consider 128kbps Xing decoded to a wav file as a Wave.) IMO, RealOne is evil, slow, and crash-tastic (I just keep Real 8 - it's still evil, but I don't want to make somthing thats bad worse...) Paying $20 for crappy software is not my idea of a good deal.

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I've gotta say that while most of the points raised here against MD contain fact, the tone is a bit over the top. Not the most encouraging. HA might have a no flames policy, but some of the more pointed responses at naive comments get a bit close sometimes.

I can't speak for everybody on this thread, but I think that aside from a few slams, the infomation offered here on MiniDisc (and the myriad of issues unique to that format) is for the most part objective and empirical. ABX results, S/N ratios, transcoding, and software issues are are perfectly valid, whereas slamming MD for the sake of slamming is not. Nobody is telling you or any other user on this thread not to use MiniDisc, for many of us have or do use the format ourselves. All we are saying is that one needs to be aware of some of the pros and cons of the format, and unfortunately, RealOne (the original topic of the thread) is undoubtedly a con. Now go enjoy your MD player 

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Reply #20 –
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I've gotta say that while most of the points raised here against MD contain fact, the tone is a bit over the top. Not the most encouraging. HA might have a no flames policy, but some of the more pointed responses at naive comments get a bit close sometimes.

By the looks of your post count and join date, I assume you haven't been reading HA very long.  If you had been around here longer, you'd have known that TURBO has a bit of a "history" on this board for making absolutely ridiculous claims (many which have blatantly gone agains the forum rules) and generally causing a lot of commotion.  Many of his posts have bordered on flat out trolling, so when more of this kind of thing pops up, people are a little less inclined to deal with it in a "nice" fashion.

You might try using the search function for a little bit more info....

FWIW, most of the time when this thing happens repeatedly, people get banned.  This thread at least didn't start out as a troll although some of the claims or statements made are certainly very weird...

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Reply #21 –
Den, thanks for the tips. I was transcoding to mp3 instead of wave. Now I get a lot better sound quality in my MD player. That's why everytime I used simple burner with M3U2SB, I got better sound quality. Simple burner transcodes to wave and then to atrac. I am a happy camper, now.