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MP3gain alternatives?

I would like to make my whole music collection the same volume(no peak clipping, maximizing, or anything like that). Are there programs similar to itunes' volume adjuster but not having to use itunes?

MP3gain alternatives?

Reply #1 –
By "volume adjuster", are you referring to Sound Check? If so, what you're looking for is tag-based volume normalization -- which is precisely what MP3Gain/Replay Gain achieve.

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Reply #2 –
Quote from: Ron Jones on
By "volume adjuster", are you referring to Sound Check? If so, what you're looking for is tag-based volume normalization -- which is precisely what MP3Gain/Replay Gain achieve.


Oh. I've been playing around mp3tag and when I'm testing it on files, it doesn't really do anything noticable and I can't undo the changes.

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Reply #3 –
I'm confused.

Just what are you adjusting in a tag program [mp3tag] that has to do with analyzing a file for setting replay gain?

Are you testing by using a player that supports replay gain?

terry

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Reply #5 –
Quote from: tpijag on
I'm confused.

Just what are you adjusting in a tag program [mp3tag] that has to do with analyzing a file for setting replay gain?

Are you testing by using a player that supports replay gain?

terry


I'm testing it on copied files so if I make a mistake and don't know how to fix it, I don't screw up my actual files in my music library. And so so far I've tried doing replay gain, album gain, and constant gain but I don't notice any difference in the volume of the actual files. And when I try to undo the changes to remove that gain information on the tags, it doesn't work.

Quote from: greynol on
...maybe this is why the guy is erroneously blaming the encoder for volume differences between CBR and VBR.


That was before I started playing around with mp3tag. And I'd like you to please point out where I said I was blaming anything.
 

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Reply #7 –
It is not a question of TESTING on a copy of files that is strange. It is quite reasonable. But why are you doing this all by hand with a program that is built to tag metadata - not set appropriate replaygain information.

AND what are you using to play the files?  Does that program support / respect replaygain tags.  If not, you effort is pointless.

With all due respect, just use a program that analyzes your files and instruct that program to place the information in metadata tags. Your files are not changed whatsoever. Foobar, and others will do this job just fine.  Test it on one album and move on.

This is not magic. It is a mature concept.
Replay Gain does work.
Undo changes does work.

regards

terry

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Reply #8 –
To add, if you use MP3Gain and use it to change the gain of your files rather than just calculate the gain and tag, it would behoove you to rescan them with foobar2000, Winamp or whatever is your preferred application so that the RG values stored in the ID3V2 tags reflect the changes made by MP3Gain, since MP3Gain only writes APE tags.  Perhaps there's a more efficient method, and if so, someone please tell me.

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Reply #10 –
Why is the sky orange?

The question assumes that the sky is orange and asks for the cause(s) of it being that way.  The sky isn't orange, of course, and my asking the question that way makes the erroneous assumption that it is.

You seem to think that VBR is the cause for your tracks being quieter.  This is nonsense, not to mention a violation of TOS #8.

But fine, you aren't blaming the encoder.  Can we get back on topic now?

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Reply #11 –
Okay getting back on topic, one reason might be the original recording but I can't figure out why the other files are still quiet.

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Reply #12 –
I think it would be beneficial if d_headshot can describe how he uses MP3Gain and find it not doing what it is supposed to do.

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Reply #13 –
What I do is I drag the tracks onto mp3gain, and tried the different gain options to see if I could figure out how to work it. But since I can't get it to work, I try to undo the changes and it won't undo them. All I want is for volume to be the same and not change the actual peaks or stuff like that haha.

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Reply #14 –
Maybe it's 'not doing anything' if the tracks are already at the target volume?

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Reply #15 –
Quote from: d_headshot on
What I do is I drag the tracks onto mp3gain, and tried the different gain options to see if I could figure out how to work it. But since I can't get it to work, I try to undo the changes and it won't undo them. All I want is for volume to be the same and not change the actual peaks or stuff like that haha.

If you want to make the tracks to have the same volume, then you need to use "Track Gain". The default target volume is 89dB. Louder tracks will have the volume lowered, which means the actual peaks will be lowered. This will surely contradict with your second statement that "for volume to be the same and not change the actual peaks".

In MP3Gain, go to "Options" -> "Tags", and make sure "Ignore" is NOT selected. If you choose "Ignore", then undo information is not written to tags, and thus you cannot undo.

IIRC, "Track Analysis" will make MP3Gain write the ReplayGain tags to the files in APEv2, but not modify the actual data. If you press "Track Gain", it will modify the audio data in the files, and then store the undo information in the tags.

There is a help file bundled with MP3Gain in .chm format. I would advise you to read it to get more information.

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Reply #16 –
Quote from: d_headshot on
I would like to make my whole music collection the same volume(no peak clipping, maximizing, or anything like that). Are there programs similar to itunes' volume adjuster but not having to use itunes?


Reading the whole thread, I start believing that you are using a player that is not using any ReplayGain information ...

So, what are you actually using for playing back the MP3Gain adjusted files and how is it configured ?

Cheers,
Maggi

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Reply #17 –
Quote from: Maggi on
Reading the whole thread...
I've just done that, and I wish I hadn't bothered.     

  • Run mp3gain
  • Drag mp3 files to mp3gain
  • Click apply track gain
  • wait
  • listen to the result in any player


It might not do exactly what you want, but it certainly "works" as in "it makes all the files about the same loudness".

If you just click "analyse", then it won't change the files, it'll just analyse them. The clue is in the name.

Further clues are in the manual. Try it - it's surprisingly good.

Cheers,
David.

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Reply #18 –
Thanks for the replies. I'm not on a computer with my files at the moment but I'll try these suggestions out as soon as I can.

Quote from: Maggi on
Quote from: d_headshot on
I would like to make my whole music collection the same volume(no peak clipping, maximizing, or anything like that). Are there programs similar to itunes' volume adjuster but not having to use itunes?


Reading the whole thread, I start believing that you are using a player that is not using any ReplayGain information ...

So, what are you actually using for playing back the MP3Gain adjusted files and how is it configured ?

Cheers,
Maggi


I use a sansa fuze.

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Reply #19 –
With 5 seconds of search.

http://sansa.lithium.com/sansa/board/messa...message.id=2930 

PLEASE show some respect to us........multiple crap threads going nowhere. It's one thing to say I know nothing; please assist.  People here will provide help.

It is a whole other thing to start threads stating you have problems occurring with time tested concepts and there must be problems with said concepts and procedures.

The Sansa fuze does not read replay gain. This might be related to you not hearing a difference.....


terry

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Reply #20 –
You have stated that you use Sansa Fuse. This is the most important information previously not known. I am not aware of any hardware player that supports ReplayGain in tags (I have not tried Rockbox.), so you must use the "Track Gain" button to modify the actual audio data to make the music the same volume.

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Reply #21 –
mp3tag != mp3gain, two separate programs.

mp3tag, fantastic swiss knife tagging program.

mp3gain, wavegain for mp3s from http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/  great for adding albumgain or trackgain to mp3 files, the frontend can also be used with aacgain (renamed to mp3gain) to replaygain AAC files.
Zune 80, Tak -p4 audio library, Lossless=Choice

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Reply #22 –
Okay I've been trying all the suggestions but it isn't working. For example I have an album and I also have the remastered version of the album. The remastered one is louder so I want to make the original louder. I apply the track gain but when playing it, the original still sounds too quiet and there isn't any gain data in the tags when viewing the file info in winamp.

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Reply #23 –
I cannot help you with mp3gain and it's options/functions because I don't know it, but there are enough suggestions in this thread...

But to make it clear for you:
There are two ways to ReplayGain your files.

- One writes Gain Values to the TAGS which an appropriate player (like foobar2000 (software) or RockBox (OpenSource Firmware for different HardwarePlayer)) can READ and gain the volume accordingly to the values.
- The other way is to APPLY those Values to the MP3Stream, which means, that it will alter it! then the effekt can be recognized by ANY player, for example your Sansa Fuze!

For BOTH you have to scan the file(s)!
If you want to listen to the files on your Sansa you have to apply those values (second point)... which AFAIK cannot be undone. (But reading the thread, I guess mp3gain writes the original gain-data in some TAG to make it possible. dunno)
fb2k on OSX: flac q8 > rockboxed Sansa e280v1: Vorbis q5.0

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: d_headshot on
Okay I've been trying all the suggestions but it isn't working. For example I have an album and I also have the remastered version of the album. The remastered one is louder so I want to make the original louder. I apply the track gain but when playing it, the original still sounds too quiet and there isn't any gain data in the tags when viewing the file info in winamp.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  RG was designed to make loud masters quieter, not the other way around.  Regarding the data stored in tags, MP3Gain writes the information as an APE tag, not an ID3 tag.  Did you make sure to use the right tool to look in the right place?

Quote from: callisto on
which AFAIK cannot be undone. (But reading the thread, I guess mp3gain writes the original gain-data in some TAG to make it possible. dunno)

I think what has been said in this discussion is clear enough for you not to have to guess.  If you use MP3Gain and it writes undo information to an APE tag (which it does by default!) then changes to the global gain field can be undone.