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If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

As the subject/topic says, I got Nero 8 from my Dad this Xmas.  Retail version, full thingy.  Can you give me reasons that I might want to keep it, as opposed to Ebaying it?

Does it do anything that I can't do with quality freeware programs, such as ImgBurn and Burrrn.  I also have CDBurnerXP for some general purposes, when I'm just casually burning stuff.

My uses for my two CD/DVD burners are this: to rip my CD's with a quality ripper to FLAC, encode to lossy format for whatever .mp3 player my family members currently owns, and to burn LOTS of backup stuff from my computer, in case of total HD crashes.

My two idiosyncrasies: I'm interested in lightscribe.  Is this dependent on the Nero burning engine?  I also have a big enough family that I don't like having to teach them every little thing about burning CD/DVD's.

So, ultimately, (and even just casually, if you want to go off on tangents), what reasons would I keep and install Nero 8?  The only thing I'm not interested in as a reason is this: "it's bloatware."  I have huge hardrives, and lots of RAM.  I'm not at all worried about bloat.

What does Nero 8 do well, better, or easier than the freeware programs available?  Or, conversely, what other programs might DEPEND on Nero's burning engine's to work (i.e., lightscribe????).

Sorry if this is a NOOB question.  I'm actually pretty tech savvy and I've been reading HA's forums for a few days . . . because I've only LATELY come to realize that I like high quality audio.  It didn't used to be a concern of mine.  I used to rip, burn, encode, (etc.) with just average programs, and never to a lossless format.

Anyway, tell me why I *should* install Nero 8.  How will it *enchance* or *advance* my audio and visual life, as they pertain to burning/ripping/encoding/backing up/lightscribing?

TIA for any responses!!!  Just as one more caveat: I *do* like to research questions on my own.  It's just that I've found in the last few years that no matter HOW much independent research I do, that the true experts are the ones who can answer questions: simply, clearly, and with *reliable* information that I can't gain alone.

So, again, thanks!

~jordan

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #1 –
"As the subject/topic says, I got Nero 8 from my Dad this Xmas. Retail version, full thingy. Can you give me reasons that I might want to keep it, as opposed to Ebaying it?"

it would be quite unkind against your dad (making money from an xmas gift.... )

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #2 –
I use Img Burn for DVDs, Burrrn for audio and deepburner for data (all portable).

I can't imagine a reason to install ANY PROGRAM to burn with, but....

Nero might make a nice present for someone else; an all-in-one wizard driven suite would certainly suit a non-techie much better than a bunch of lil tools.

My Dad uses Nero (I'm sure he doesn't "know" that he uses it) for backups and burning discs of photos.

Or, just ebay it and buy something you will use (putting a gift in a drawer and never using it is far more unkind than exchanging it  )

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #3 –
For LightScribe, all you really need are the appropriate FREE tools for your platform from the makers of that technology. For Windows, basically that means two items (assuming you already own a LightScribe-capable drive, that is!):
  • LIGHTSCRIBE SYSTEM SOFTWARE (LSS)
  • LIGHTSCRIBE TEMPLATE LABELER

Anything else is optional.

    - M.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #4 –
Quote from: nightfishing on
Nero might make a nice present for someone else; an all-in-one wizard driven suite would certainly suit a non-techie much better than a bunch of lil tools.


Maybe this is *totally* unanswerable, but when ripping and burning with ImgBurn/Burrn, what type of audio quality deficit are we talking when compared to Nero 8 for the whole process?  Any ballpark guesstimate is *totally* fine with me.  Are we talking 5% deficit, 20%, 50%?

1.  So, still on topic: what reasons to install Nero 8 over those freeware tools?
2.  What totally ballpark guesstimate of quality loss are we talking using Nero 8?

TIA, again, from those with so much experience here.  Your input is invaluable. 

~jordan

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #5 –
Quote from: jordanstorm on
Quote from: nightfishing on

Nero might make a nice present for someone else; an all-in-one wizard driven suite would certainly suit a non-techie much better than a bunch of lil tools.


Maybe this is *totally* unanswerable, but when ripping and burning with ImgBurn/Burrn, what type of audio quality deficit are we talking when compared to Nero 8 for the whole process?  Any ballpark guesstimate is *totally* fine with me.  Are we talking 5% deficit, 20%, 50%?

1.  So, still on topic: what reasons to install Nero 8 over those freeware tools?
2.  What totally ballpark guesstimate of quality loss are we talking using Nero 8?

TIA, again, from those with so much experience here.  Your input is invaluable. 

~jordan


I can't see any reason there would be ANY quality loss either way, if you are burning lossless (Audio or Video) files.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #6 –
As for there being any quality loss, isn't there some function of the freeware burners/rippers that does the "PerfectSynch" or "TrueRip" or whatever it is that makes sure the rip (or the burn?) is byte-for-byte accurate??

I know I'm revealing my lack of knowledge here, but remember, I'm just getting into high sound quality, and now I'd like to make sure I get the process as close to excellent as I can--without going off the deep-end of caring about a few percentage points here or there.

TIA!!!

~jordan

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #7 –
ripping and burning are seperate animals.

for ripping there are tools that use Accurate Rip and ot test/copy methods. There are pages and pages of discussion about this on HA.

If you are looking to copy an audio disc (rip then burn) the rip portion is the more prone to errors.

I honestly don't copy disc-to-disc very often, but I don't recall hearing too many issues with software WRITING bad copies.

Even on the ripping end, for 99% of the people the "errors" that programs like EAC/Accurate Rip  prevent aren't noticeable. EAC began (if I recall correctly) to ensure that a copy of a copy of a copy was still accurate.

I rip with EAC (test and copy) and then burn with burrrn. The reason "I" use burrrn is that I am usually working with FLAC (not cda/wav).

As far as the discussion of "to Nero" or "not to Nero" I don't think these concerns should impact your decision.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #8 –
Why don't you install it and give it a test drive?  I use Nero for Burning Data CD's and DVD's myself.

Good Luck!!
 

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #9 –
My bad...
cast out...

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #10 –
If you load Nero, you can use Foobar to convert FLAC to CDs, that is, burn a CDROM in Audio format from FLAC files. But you'll need the Nero installed files to do it.

There is anotehr option. Nero is, or was, a very good burning program. It has lots of bloat now, but if you get Nero 7 essentials, then you have the basic "old school" package with very little bloat. It's just the burning software really, no woo woo or foo foo. Nero 7 essentials is not sold retail, but you can get it with almost any DVD burner, and the burner costs less than the retail version.

I recently bought a Liteon DVD/Lightscrie burner and got Nero 7 Essentials with it. I use it to burn data, React2/EAC to rip to all formats, and Foobar to convert from FLAC to CDROM (or MP3 or AAC from FLAC). Again, you'll need the Nero files it installs to use Foobar to convert from FLAC to CDROM audio files.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #12 –
Quote from: spockep on
Why don't you install it and give it a test drive?  I use Nero for Burning Data CD's and DVD's myself.

Nero is extremely bloated and cannot be uninstalled completely without leaving garbage in the registry behind. You could give a testdrive if you have a complete backup of your Windows system.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #13 –
Quote from: Pri3st on
I would keep it for Nero Recode and Nero Vision.


I agree with the Recode comment. Yes, there are other methods, but nothings beats the simplicity of Recode (IMO).
--
Eric

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #14 –
Wait.  Why would installing Nero 8 (which doesn't natively support FLAC to Audio) enable Foobar to burn Flac to audio????  From my reading, I thought you had to install a free plug-in (that was designed for Nero 6/7, and may not even work with Nero 8) to enable Nero to burn Flac to Audio???

I'm confused on that part.  Plus, anyway, I bought MediaMonkey Pro, and I think (??) that it burns Flac to Audio.  I know some people hate MM, but I kinda like it.  I'm especially intrigued by the almost-ready-for-release version 3.

Anyway, I'll do some research/reading on Nero Recode and Vision.  I don't even know what they do.  Dumb, I know.  I'm just getting into quality audio.

And, finally, yes, that is the reason I *won't* install the demo verion or even crack the package: I have JUST cleaned and reinstalled Windows XP on my primary partition, and (from previous experience) a program as huge as Nero 8 will not completely clean itself from my registry. 

Sure. there's CCleaner and System Mechanic, etc. etc.  But actually, I'm sick of having my computer's performance degraded every year--which it does--as I add and remove different programs.  It's a wate of of valuable time.  ;-)

Anyway, still on subject--and coming nearer to a final decision:

1.  Nero 8 may actually be a *quality* burner, on par with the good freeware choices.  So, I won't be losing too much quality, if I were to install it and start using it, I'd be okay on the quality front.
2.  Nero 8 *may* enable other programs (Foobar) to do things they wouldn't be able to do before.
3.  Recode and Vision are useful programs (which I need to research).

So, please keep contributing if you feel there's something we haven't covered.

Two other points to figure in, if someone knows about these things (re: to keep Nero 8 or not).

A) What is this that I hear about "InCD" screwing up stuff on my system??  Can someone briefly answer that, if they can.  What's the problem with that feature? 

B) Is it indeed true that you should ALWAYS use the multi-session option  in Nero (and other burners) when burning ALL forms of CD's and DVD's, because it is less prone to compatibility problems??  That shocked me.  I *never* reburn or add to them later.  So, I always checked the box that says to finalize the disk.  A bad decision???

TIA!!!!!!!!!

You all have saved me HOURS of time, and given me the best info.  If you ever have questions about philosophy, literature, writing, or the arts/humanities, I have an M.A./Ph.D..  I could actually help others in return in those areas.  ;-)  Like that would happen.  But I just feel in your debt for the help.

Thanks again, and Happy New Year!

~jordan

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #15 –
Foobar2000 can call NERO burning engine, that's all. In this case Nero does not need to know anything about FLAC, cos all it sees is PCM data decoded by Foobar.

I've never heard that unfinalized CD would be less compatible. Quite the opposite actually.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #16 –
soon you can throw away burrrn since imgburn will support audio cds in the new version (gotta create cue sheet for the audio cds first though)

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #17 –
Well, ImgBurn doesn't support multisession. Nero does.

Anyone knows what other freeware burner support multisession?

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #18 –
On Topic:
Only things I use, IMGBURN and BURRRN.

Off Topic:
Artmusthurt, where did you see that about ImgBurn? If ImgBurn will be able to burn audio, that will be fantastic, as I trust the verify option a great deal.
OP can't edit initial post when a solution is determined  :'-(

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #19 –
Quote from: SamHain86 on
On Topic:
Only things I use, IMGBURN and BURRRN.

Off Topic:
Artmusthurt, where did you see that about ImgBurn? If ImgBurn will be able to burn audio, that will be fantastic, as I trust the verify option a great deal.


This, perhaps?

"Rough Guide To Installing Working Filters For ImgBurn, Create .Cue From Lots Of Formats"

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #20 –
I hope to be able to replace Nero 6 with a free tool in the future. Got to check out the current status of ImgBurn. IIRC the program could not create new, virtual directories in the compilation.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #21 –
Quote from: j7n on
I hope to be able to replace Nero 6 with a free tool in the future. Got to check out the current status of ImgBurn. IIRC the program could not create new, virtual directories in the compilation.
It still can't. However, you can make .iso files with Infra-Recorder instead, then burn it using ImgBurn. That's what I actually do.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #22 –
Quote from: jordanstorm on
A) What is this that I hear about "InCD" screwing up stuff on my system??  Can someone briefly answer that, if they can.  What's the problem with that feature? 

B) Is it indeed true that you should ALWAYS use the multi-session option  in Nero (and other burners) when burning ALL forms of CD's and DVD's, because it is less prone to compatibility problems??  That shocked me.  I *never* reburn or add to them later.  So, I always checked the box that says to finalize the disk.  A bad decision???


My answer is based on my experience of Nero 7. I don't know if Nero 8 is radically changed.

A) InCD is always loaded if it is installed. It is known to be able to cause problems with some other burning programs. (... no, I can't provide exact details. The specific problems may or may not occur depending on the OS, used other programs, drivers and perhaps star positions.)

My advice is to not install InCD unless you really need it for something. Several years ago it was a nice replacement for too small floppy discs, but I don't know anytone who needs such a feature nowadays. Network storage, removable drives, flash memory devices etc have made it redundant. Nero's standard burning part is completely off when Nero is not running.

B) In my experience a finalized disc is more compatible with very old devices and maybe old operating systems. With current HW and SW it really doesn't matter.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #23 –
You should keep NERO 8, it's very pratical and no wonder is the OEM deployment leader worldwide. Of course it's not perfect and it's kinda bloated but the NERO BURNING ROM is quite alright. I find useful to make several kind of discs, and burn audio CD's with manual inserted gaps and verifying burn option. It's the leader, and there's a reason for it.

If I have ImgBurn and Burrrn, for what reasons would I install Nero 8?

Reply #24 –
I guess that's the first definite "for nero" post, right? :-)

Anyway, I had Nero 6.???  Why do I see so many references to it.  Is there something in particular that makes it decent and 7 and 8 not so positively reviewed????

Back on topic, I'm currently testing the non-hugeware options, before I do anything with Nero.  So far, I'm doing okay.

ImgBurn had a problem with dual-layer stuff, dealing with where to put a layer break.  And I *assume* something expensive (like Nero 8) would take care of that for me.  It took an hour of reading to figure out EXACTLY what a dual-layer disk was made of, and why the problem exited for Imgburn.  And then how to fix it.

I just don't have that kind of free time..........

Maybe Nero IS for me, if I'm going to be semi-frequently bumping in to, "Oh god, now I have to research that."

Maybe if I had more free time, but right now I don't......

~j

PS: If I dig around, maybe I'll find my old Nero 6.  Is that *still* perfectly functional????