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Easy Cd-Da Extractor

I'm new to all this and I'm probably gonna get my butt in a sling for saying this on here since this place is basically all EAC and Foobar2000, but despite the price charged I think Easy Cd-Da Extractor rocks. It has every format I could possibly use and I get actual RMS gain that works on all formats and keeps everyone of my CD's at basically the same level all in one package. I have tried foobar and its to complicated. I do wish EAC had RMS gain because you can't beat the error correction. I know there is mp3gain out there because i have used it and its great, but when i use aacgain it doesnt work on all my tracks and there isnt one out there for ogg.

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Reply #1 –
looks like spam to me.

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Reply #4 –
I don't think the guy is spamming, but I do think he may be seeking approval in an attempt to justify his purchase to himself, at least on a subconscious level.

If you want my opinion, you're likely to get more for your money buying dBpowerAMP which actually costs less than Easy CD-DA Extractor and I'm still primarily an EAC user.  Once you do a bit more reading, you'll see that there are a good number of people here who use dBpowerAMP.  I'm sure there are quite a few people who use foobar2000 as a ripper, but wouldn't go so far to say that it's anything like what the OP is suggesting.

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Reply #6 –
so what about the RMS gain? dbpoweramp is cool, but it doesnt have it. and as far as i can tell neither does foobar. i know it may not be a big deal to some people but it is to me. i can add gain to my ogg files same as i can my mp3 files with out transcoding.....but yeah i am still open to all suggestions if there is a better way.

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Reply #7 –
is rms gain like replaygain? if it is, foobar2000 has that too.

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Reply #8 –
to me its better than replay gain because it keeps my songs level when i burn a CD and I never got replay gain to do that. But now the easy Cd-Da extractor is causing my drive to heat up bad. so does anyone know another program i can use with RMS gain built in?

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Reply #9 –
I know what RMS is (Root Mean Square) but I'm not 100% sure what "RMS Gain" is.  RMS is usually used to calculate power (watts) or energy*.  So, if you have two different-shaped waveforms with the same RMS value, they will generate the same amount of power.  It's like an average, but when you are not working pure pure sine waves, you can have two waveforms with equal power, but different peaks and different average values.

So, I assume RMS Gain sets the levels of two or more files to have equal RMS values.  GoldWave[/u] includes a similar Match Volume tool for matching average levels.  It's not a "one click" operation, and you have to be to use the file with the lowest average as your reference, so you don't increase any file to the point of clipping.

There are two problems with the above approaches.  Perceived loudness is not that simple!  As a simple example, imagine you have one "normal" song with fairly constant volume, and a 2nd song with a quiet acoustic first-half, and with a loud rockin' 2nd-half...  You can make the RMS or average equal, but that's not going to make them sound like they have equal volume. 

And, in order to match the perceived loudness, the levels of most files will be reduced.  Since this is done to the digital audio file, your dynamic range is reduced.  (You won't be taking advantage of all 16-bits.)    This isn't always a big deal.  Many CDs have quiet tracks that don't reach 0dB.  But, these are usually the intentionally quiet tracks...

 
Replay Gain (as I understand it) uses psychoacoustic analysis to determine how loud a song sounds.  It then creates a tag with a recommended playback level.  The level is adjusted at playback time by the playback software.  This is why it doesn't work when you burn a CD.  (CDs don't have this feature.)    Replay Gain doesn't mess with the actual digital sound data, so you can still get the full 16-bits of dynamic range, and you can disable or ignore the Replay Gain data, if you wish.  The actual volume control can be done in an analog stage following the A/D converter.  This would preserve the full 16-bit resolution.  If this is done or not may depend on the application. 

You might be able to use the Replay Gain information as a guide for manually changing the level (with your audio editing software) before burning a CD.


* Of course, there is no power or energy in a digital file.  But, if two files have the same RMS levels, they will generate the same amount of heat energy in a speaker,  if they also have the same time-duration. 

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Reply #10 –
well all i know is that the rms gain with this program works just like mp3gain but with ogg,aac and any other format i wanna use. But like i said the program is starting to heat up my CD drive and if its gonna do that then i need to go another route. just not sure which way to go.

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Reply #11 –
Go with the recommendations you've been given in this thread.  There's also a freeware ripper called Audiograbber that I've liked for many years.  It has recently been tweaked and repackaged, details in this link:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry514258

Personally, I'd strongly discourage anyone from patronizing Easy CD-DA.  That's based on my own miserable experiences dealing with Poiko along with a mountain of other documented complaints against him.  There are enough good alternatives.

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Reply #12 –
audiograbber seems like a great way to go, but so does EAC and mp3gain. So I will just figure out something with one of the two and leave it at that. thatnks for all the help.

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Reply #13 –
I have always loved the job of Jukka 

One of the best programs in circulation 

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Reply #15 –
Quote from: Dr. Oviri on
I have always loved the job of Jukka 

One of the best programs in circulation 


I've also bought EZCDDA 3 years ago and since all upgrades are free, I don't repent I've done it. The interface is very simple, works without a fuzz and all codecs are there and preconfigured. I don't doubt there are better freeware choices but as it is, is my de facto ripper for the last years. Very happy with it.
Tried EAC once and it had too many things to configure (to my patience, that is!) and didn't work as a single button solution (minus renaming and custom codec profiles, which I do use).

Regards