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Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

ok, this is problem has been happening for several years, really, and has spanned different media, different versions of Nero, different burning speeds, and different mp3 bitrate sources.  for the last year or so I've been using 6.6.0.12, so that'll be the one I'm referring to in this thread.  the majority of audio CDs I attempt to burn from mp3s have all kinds of problems playing in my car.  I'd say 99% of the cds that I've made in the past year or so usually won't play at all when I put in them in my car.  Usually, I'll have to sit there putting the same disc in over and over again before my car will recognize it.  Even then, it may play fine for a little while, and eventually all kinds of odd hissing and cracking (artifacts that aren't audibly present on the mp3s) cam start happening.  sometimes the audio will just cut out altogether.  granted, I'm not always using the best possbile media, but I have a few CDs that I made several years ago from cheap media, - some of which have considerable surface damage - and they all play fine.  Obviously all professionally released CDs play just fine.  But I've tried burning at low speed; I've tried CBR and VBR; and nothing works consistently.  Hell, I've even tried different burners.  Nothing makes a difference.  With most of the discs I've created in the last year or so, I can't get any consistentcy whatsoever.  Discs may work for a bit without a hitch, and then I'll start getting the ol' "ERROR" message from my car's CD player and have to sit there for half an hour like a moron taking the disc out and putting it back in 1000 times.  I'm nearly at my wit's end here.

Should I just start burning wavs exclusively and forget about mp3s? (for what it's worth, I get the same problem when burning FLACS, too.)  I've read this forum for quite a long time and have the utmost respect for your advice.  Any help you folks can offer will be appreciated - and hopefully prevent me from throwing my cd player out the window at 85 mph.  Thanks in advance.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #1 –
sounds like your car player's optics is dirty/scratched

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #2 –
There's possibility that the write laser of your CD burner is getting weak.

Edit: Ah, I just read you tried a different burner. Well there's also the possibility that the 2nd burner is also weak. No, I'm not pulling your leg here; it happened to me once.

Another question: When it reads error, can it read standard published CDA's all ok? If no, then jmartis' suggestion may be right. If yes, then I'm sure my suggestion is right.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #3 –
Quote from: pepoluan on
There's possibility that the write laser of your CD burner is getting weak.
Quote from: orpheus78 on
Hell, I've even tried different burners.

Quote from: pepoluan on
When it reads error, can it read standard published CDA's all ok?
Quote from: orpheus78 on
Obviously all professionally released CDs play just fine.

Metal has a much higher reflectivity than dye.  You can't simply blame the burner for this situation.

Also to the OP, if you're burning audio cds from mp3 or flac (you did not make this very clear), the format of the source is irrelevant.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #4 –
Quote from: greynol on
Metal has a much higher reflectivity than dye.  You can't simply blame the burner for this situation.

Also to the OP, if you're burning audio cds from mp3 or flac (you did not make this very clear), the format of the source is irrelevant.



I don't understand either of those comments, really 

Incidentally, I should point out that all CDs I've burned play just fine every place but in my car, and to the best of my knowledge, in other people's cars, too.  The dirty lens thing seems possible, but why is it only (significantly) impacting CDs I've made as opposed to CDs I've bought?

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #5 –
Quote from: orpheus78 on
Quote from: greynol on

Metal has a much higher reflectivity than dye.  You can't simply blame the burner for this situation.

Also to the OP, if you're burning audio cds from mp3 or flac (you did not make this very clear), the format of the source is irrelevant.



I don't understand either of those comments, really 

Incidentally, I should point out that all CDs I've burned play just fine every place but in my car, and to the best of my knowledge, in other people's cars, too.  The dirty lens thing seems possible, but why is it only (significantly) impacting CDs I've made as opposed to CDs I've bought?

Because metal reflects light better than dye. 

I could not tell earlier if you were trying to play mp3s from data cds in the car or audio cds.
Quote from: orpheus78 on
the majority of audio CDs I attempt to rip ( ???) from mp3s have all kinds of problems playing in my car.
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I've tried CBR and VBR
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Should I just start burning wavs exclusively and forget about mp3s? (for what it's worth, I get the same problem when burning FLACS, too.)
If you are trying to play AUDIO CD-Rs rather than DATA CD-Rs, using waves, mp3s (any bitrate) or  flacs as the source isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #6 –
Quote from: greynol on
If you are trying to play AUDIO CD-Rs rather than DATA CD-Rs, using waves, mp3s (any bitrate) or  flacs as the source isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.


weird.  I've read statements from people suggesting that the success of audio cds can vary depending on what the source of the audio is.  some folks have said, for example, that VBR mp3s tend to not burn well as audio cds.  also, I've read many people claiming that wavs burn far better than any compressed audio does.  this could all be bullshit, but it's something I've read quite a few times.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #7 –
Flacs, mp3s and the like all get converted to PCM data before getting burned to CD-R.  Some software does the decoding on the fly (which isn't the best idea) and thanks to buffer underrun protection more CDs can be created successfully this way.  When buffer underrun protection is required it can create a discontinuity but I seriously doubt that this is the reason for your troubles.

If cleaning your player doesn't help then maybe the 85 MPH pitch is your best option (though I don't believe in littering).

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #8 –
any particular cleaning kit I should look for?  I've read some mixed results when people attempt to use those dry brush discs in car cd players.  the instructions for many of those kits say to not even use them in front-loaded car cds players.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #9 –
A few tips, I don't know if it might help

You already tried to burn at low writing speed. What speed was it?
You should give it a try to burn at a very low writing speed like 4x. I once had a similar problem on a specific cd-player with cd-r's burnt at 40x or 48x. After decreasing writing speed to 4x the player could read the cd's perfectly.

Do not write cd's over 74 minutes, preferably a little less (~ 70 minutes).
Some cd-players do not recognize cd's that exceed a total playing time of 74 minutes which is off-standard according the Red Book

FWIW

Cheers

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #10 –
bought a brush cleaner, tried it out...made absolutely no difference

I've burned CDs as low as 8x with no positive results

as far as burning with Nero, is there a way to prevent it from burning on the fly?

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #11 –
Hmm since you said it works well in other people's car...

There's possibility that the optics in your player is whacked, e.g. the lens is scratched, the laser goes weak, the detector goes wacko, etc.

I think you ought to start considering the 85 MPH pitch more seriously now...

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #12 –
Quote from: orpheus78 on
as far as burning with Nero, is there a way to prevent it from burning on the fly?

Nero should be able to write an image file by selecting "Image Recorder" in the Recorder menu.

You can burn the cd afterwards by writing the image file.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #13 –
Quote from: arpeggio on
Quote from: orpheus78 on

as far as burning with Nero, is there a way to prevent it from burning on the fly?

Nero should be able to write an image file by selecting "Image Recorder" in the Recorder menu.

You can burn the cd afterwards by writing the image file.


...or you could just convert all your compressed audio files to wave before burning.

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #14 –
What format is being used to burn these CD's? there could be a problem there.
we was young an' full of beans

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #16 –
one other question:

is there a way to check the strength of the laser in my burners to see what kind of shape they are in?

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #17 –
Quote from: orpheus78 on
one other question:

is there a way to check the strength of the laser in my burners to see what kind of shape they are in?


No, but you can check the approximate burn quality with Nero CD-DVD Speed (under "Disc Quality").

These problems should normally not come from Nero, since any burning program just sends some commands and the data to the burner which basically does all the burning on its own. So it's either your burner, your media, bad burner/media combination, or the CD player.

You can make sure by burning a test CD with Burrrn.
 

Errors when playing CD-Rs in car

Reply #18 –
thank you for the information

at this post I'm inclined to think my problem is a combination of shitty media and Sony's hardware design scheme.  I've read in a number of places how many auto cd players (particularly Sony) are designed so as to have all sorts of problems with privately burned media, and it seems to me that may be a factor here.