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Copy Protection and EAC

Now I thought EAC was the one to go for when you get dodgy discs and this Ray Charles - Genius Love Company is one such disc. EAC wont look at it though - complains of suspicious bits and skips pretty much all the tracks. Stick it in iTunes though and a few minutes later I have a perfect rip (well it sound ok?).

So do I go on wasting time with EAC's long ripping times or just bung 'em iTunes direct!?

Copy Protection and EAC

Reply #1 –
EAC's secure mode is what makes it special. In the burst mode it'll rip just like iTunes. There're many threads about this issue. Assuming the album has no copy protection, I would suggest rip into WAV files with EAC and run deglitch.exe to correct glitches if there're any. Then encode.
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Reply #2 –
I use ISObuster to rescue the good parts of the disc (ie, the songs), then burn to an ISO image.  Mount the image, and use whatever you like to rip..
ISObuster is probably more picky than EAC when it comes to recovering data, but EAC works better with scratched discs.

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Reply #3 –
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Now I thought EAC was the one to go for when you get dodgy discs and this Ray Charles - Genius Love Company is one such disc. EAC wont look at it though - complains of suspicious bits and skips pretty much all the tracks. Stick it in iTunes though and a few minutes later I have a perfect rip (well it sound ok?).

So do I go on wasting time with EAC's long ripping times or just bung 'em iTunes direct!?
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There's a high probability that there are small pops and clicks in most songs. Successfully ripping copy protected discs all depend on the drive, not the ripper.

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Reply #4 –
Return the disk to the store and demand a refund. Don't forget to explain why you don't want a copy protected disk.

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Now I thought EAC was the one to go for when you get dodgy discs and this Ray Charles - Genius Love Company is one such disc. EAC wont look at it though - complains of suspicious bits and skips pretty much all the tracks. Stick it in iTunes though and a few minutes later I have a perfect rip (well it sound ok?).

So do I go on wasting time with EAC's long ripping times or just bung 'em iTunes direct!?
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while EAC is better than other ripping programs in some areas, there is no one magic solution to ripping copy protected CDs successfully. it requires a combination of software and hardware and not just software. you should try the other extraction modes. sometimes burst mode will handle these discs better than secure mode.
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Copy Protection and EAC

Reply #6 –
DVDIdle Pro might be worth a try.  I always start it up before putting any CD or DVD in a drawer since one cannot be certain that the disk won't install software without permission -- something this utility prevents.

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Reply #7 –
@ ckjnigel
Just hold the shift key (the left one on WinXP systems) and the disc will just get recognized and nothing unwanted will happen.

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Reply #8 –
Yeah the problem is copy protection (hence topic title :-) - found another disc last night that had it but EAC only had problems with one track - just ripped that in iTunes. As far as I am concerned I already pay to make copies of my discs - they are very, very expensive based on raw materials and what the artist gets out of them - in other words I would be happy for iTunes or any ripper to monitor my copies and give me perfect copies, providing I did it legally.

Why can't they implement a scheme like that with say Microsoft software - you can only install Office on one PC because it registers itself on-line with big brother (in the case of a CD this would be your master copy for serving to multi-room servers/streaming audio devices etc), once installed on that PC you should be able to make endless mp3's from that master but only onto registered mounted devices (iPods/CD-R etc) - this depends on the software for ripping being legitimate of course and implementing the scheme (this could be justified and people would buy it if the software was very simple to use and all encompassing say like iTunes) plus CD-r hardware likewise.

I think this is probably way over simplistic so don't shoot me down - but this is very, very  important. We can’t expect the record companies to invest in new music if we want it for free - the world works on people being paid for their time and effort. At the same time new media applications mean we want to copy and duplicate that music we have paid for over various devices and no-one in their right mind is going to sell you something that you can then duplicate perfectly and then maybe sell on ad infinitum. There has to be some form of compromise here (preferably one that doesn’t compromise the reproduction of music!)

This is happening now for the early adopters like me and you but within 5 years everyone will be streaming their media (audio/tv/dvd etc) from a computer of some sort into our living rooms and all around the home - multi-room is the future and media servers are already big business for installers - how the hell can they be used with existing hard copy material if we don’t agree a standard and stick to it. I don’t want to rip hundreds of copies of my stuff for sharing across the universe - just for me and the car :-)

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Just hold the shift key (the left one on WinXP systems) and the disc will just get recognized and nothing unwanted will happen.
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That method simply disables autorun, and will only circumvent software based protection. Copy protection methods using bad sectors or similar techniques won't be affected.

Edit: Sorry, I thought you were talking to the OP.

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Reply #10 –
If using these bad sectors is an attempt to prevent someone from ripping, it seems destined to fail, since 99%+ of people out there are using simple burst rippers such as iTunes, while it is the more sophisticated rippers such as EAC that seem to have problems here. Or am I missing something and the intent was to prevent ripping using any software?

Anyway, if all else fails there is always TotalRecorder to capture the digital stream on its way to the soundcard.

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If using these bad sectors is an attempt to prevent someone from ripping, it seems destined to fail, since 99%+ of people out there are using simple burst rippers such as iTunes, while it is the more sophisticated rippers such as EAC that seem to have problems here. Or am I missing something and the intent was to prevent ripping using any software?

Anyway, if all else fails there is always TotalRecorder to capture the digital stream on its way to the soundcard.
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You will not get clean rips in burst mode if it fails in secure mode. The popping noises are not very noticeable, but they are there (usually just as faint intermittent clicks in one channel). As an example, my old PowerBook with a combo drive (dvd/cd-r) rips them perfectly in both secure and burst mode while my G5 with a brand new superdrive (dvd-r/cd-r) does not.

To get a perfect rip of copy controlled CD's I believe you have to use a drive that can interpolate C2 errors like standard hifi cd players do it (please correct me if I'm wrong).

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Reply #12 –
Okay, did disabling autorun work? Lemme know. Thanks.

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Reply #13 –
Dunno if can help, here's the old Chip.de trick (works for me):