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19 inch LCD monitor

Hi,

I wanna get me a 19 inch LCD monitor, and I was almost ready to order
the LG 1920P, when I thought "hey, let's do some research about them
specs!". Turns out the 25ms response time this model features are not
very hot. Far from it really, given that the competition is pumping out
sub-10ms values. This is a shame, 'cos the 700:1 contrast ratio the 300
brightness value, plus the unique Zero-Pixel warranty are quite sweet.

Response time is not an issue for ppl that concentrate on picture quality
but for me, gaming and watching movies is also quite important.
Btw, a CRT monitor is out of the question in case U were wondering.

I've read through the specs of quite a few monitors from Samsung, BenQ
and LG, and checked out some sites that claim to specialize in computer
displays, but have yet to find any conclusive informatiion. Much of the info
is also outdated, and respected sites like tomshardware.com haven't done
any major testing for some time now. What I have understood is that choosing
a monitor is all about finding the best compromise between response time,
brightness, contrast, pixel pitch, viewing angle and so on and so forth.

I guess I should get round to popping some questions so here they R:

- Response times: how low is low enough for decent gaming?
- Is it true that some advertised response times refer to 262,000 colour
displays, and that for actual use they are double that figure?
- Will I miss the 0.5m less colours if I pick a 16.2m colour model?
- Any good sites with up-to-date info and reviews of LCD monitors?
- What do U think of the the Samsung 193P and the new LG 1980U?
- Which 19' models do U recommend, in other words, which display
sports the best combination of features in your opinion?

I know these are HW related questions, and that some will probably think
"why don't you read up, buzz off and take your Q's somewhere else!", but
I'd like to hear opinions from fellow HA.org members, whose experiences
and expertise have helped me several times b4.

ThanQ
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19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #1 –
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Turns out the 25ms response time this model features are not
very hot. Far from it really, given that the competition is pumping out
sub-10ms values.
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You have to be careful with monitor specs.  Companies like to report numbers that make them look good but may be misleading.  Take response time.  The response time for the Planar PE191M is 25 ms.  But they also tell you that the 25 ms measure is made up of 16 ms rise and 9 ms fall.  So the sub-10 ms values you may see reported could all be fall specs only.

I was shocked to learn that these specs are not standardized across manufacturers.  For example, on CRT monitors, there are many ways to measure dot pitch.  (Horizontal, vertical, diagonal, etc.)  You'd think that all manufacturers would report dot pitch the same way.  They don't.  If they can report a smaller dot pitch (say horizontal only) and look better than the competitor (who is reporting diagonal) they will.  Printer companies do this too when reporting things like DPI and pages per minute.

The solution?  Try them out, if you can, and buy what you like best.  Make sure you get a decent warranty.

I like Planar monitors.  They do a lot of OEM work but haven't really established a brand in the US yet.  They are a great balance between price and quality and their warranty kicks tail:

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3-Year Customer First™ warranty featuring FREE 2-Day Air Monitor Replacement


Here is a link to their product line:

[a href="http://www.planar.com/Products/flatpanel_monitors/displaybysize.html]Planar Systems, Inc. - Display Innovation You Depend On[/url]

Happy hunting!

19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #2 –
@dewey1973: Thanx for the info!

The BenQ 937 12ms and the LG 1915S seem quite
interesting.

Can anyone else share their thoughts?
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19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #3 –
Usually the response times in the specs are changes from black to white (and back) or similar. For movies and games the response times for more subtle changes like 40% gray to 60% gray are more important, but they are alot slower than harsh changes and of course don't look good in the specs.

Also, those super short response times some displays supposedly have are only achieved at very extreme settings which are not really usable in real life. In the relevant range they are slower.

Bottom line: the specified response times can only hint at the actual performance.

If I were to buy an LCD I'd check out the iiyama pro-lite e481s as I've read a few good reviews.

19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #4 –
I'lll check out the Illyama.

Currently reading through LG, BenQ, Viewsonic, and Dell specs.

From your personal experience, how big viewing angle is needed
for normal use?
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19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #5 –
Odd how the LG 1915S shows up only in a few shops and ebay.de
but nowhere on the official site. Is it a secret project or sth?

The LG 1980U would be very sweet I guess, it also looks awesome
and all, although it appears to have interlaced colours (16.2m compared
to 16.7 of the elusive 1915S)

Any input form ppl owning fast response time (19'') LCD screens
would be greatly appreciated.

Is 0.28 mm a logical value for a 19'' LCD screen?
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19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #6 –
I tend to trust TrustedReviews, some time ago they made a test of various large TFTs. Even if what you're looking for is not tested, reading that long article can give you advices on what is important or not.

Their display tab has other 19" TFTs

19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #7 –
Thanx mai9.

It appears that finding a 12ms monitor without
sacrificing colour accuracy is very dificult.

I guess such low response times are hard to
achieve with 24bit colour.
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19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #8 –
I got the new Dell 1905FP recently, on sale, for US$500. It has a 20ms quoted response time (not sure what the much more important gray-to-gray times are), and I'll bet you a beer that the panel is the same one used in the new Samsung 193P--all the specs are the same, and Dell has often used Samsung panels in the past.

The viewing angle is excellent on this thing, much better than my old 15-inch KDS Rad-5 flat-panel. Because of this, the colors look the same top-to-bottom and left-to-right, regardless of whether I have the monitor in portrait or landscape mode. By the way, I personally think that a rotatable screen is really, really cool, and I use portrait mode whenever I web-browse or type (like I'm doing now). Also, the 1905FP has great ergonomics, with left-right swiveling, good tilting range, and excellent height extension. Its wake-up time from standby is also excellent, only a second or so. Plus, it is a full 24-bit color (16.7 million) display, unlike the 16ms displays that only do 18-bit (262k colors) in combination with some fancy-pants dithering algorithm.

Now, the bad news: motion trails (commonly known as "ghosting"). I never did a direct comparison with my old 15-inch LCD panel, but this new one doesn't seem to be much better.

I did a side-by-side with a friend's 19" Mitsubishi aperture-grille CRT (using the Digital and Analog outs on his Geforce 4 in clone-display mode). The colors on this 1905FP have less color cast, and the screen is incredibly vivid and bright: the CRT is a good one, but it just looks like crap next to the flat-panel. However, watching movies, it was obvious that the CRT displayed sharper moving images. Not just fast-moving objects: people's faces looked more real when they talked on the CRT. I couldn't explicitly see the blur in actors' faces and lips with the LCD, but when doing a side-by-side comparison, the lack of detail becomes more apparent. This could have been due to the miscalibration of the LCD on the DVI connector, since the LCD looked really blown out on DVI but just about perfect on my video card's analog out... but I think the motion blur is a real phenomenon.

Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to test a good game on the screen: my old Geforce3 Ti200 can't push 1280x1024 at a respectable frame-rate, and although the monitor does a good job of scaling non-native resolutions, I can't tell whether a fuzzy image is due to scaling or motion blur.

That said, I can still enjoy movies and games on this panel. I think I'm more sensitive to the motion blur than most people, and yet it has never really bothered me in the 3 and a half years I've been gaming on LCD's. The vastly superior text rendering of this flat-panel, the lack of glare from a CRT's glass tube, and the 1905FP's rotating display mode more than make up for the slight motion blur of fast-moving images. That last bit's just my humble opinion though, and you're more than welcome to disagree.

19 inch LCD monitor

Reply #10 –
Thank you Citay.

Strange how things are so quiet on the Hydis front.
I know some companies that used Hydis panels have
opted for other panels in their newest displays, but
I remember reading in tomshardware.com that they
were looking forward to testing a Hyundai LCD with
a 10ms Hydis panel, but so far nothing...

Still waiting for some manufacturer to release a 19''
12ms true 24-bit colour with pivot.

The Viewsonic VP192b would be so cool if it weren't
for the glare screen...
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