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Ogg on Iriver 120

2004-07-25 07:59:19

I have used Media Center, Cdex and EAC to encode songs and spoken word files to ogg for my iriver 120. All three rippers have produced files that play to the proper length on the laptop but fustratingly, the same files are then cut short while played on the iriver.

Any idea why ogg will not play properly on the iriver? My mp3 and wma files do not have the same problem. Unfortuanately, I bought the iriver specifically for the ogg support that it claimed to have. Since the ripped files are playing properly on the laptop, I figure it can't be the ripping process. But I can't see what else I need to do to make them work properly on the iriver. Am I missing a step while dragging and dropping the files?

For example a song that is encoded by all rippers to be 4:29 ends up to be 4:08 on the iriver. The song though isn't short by 21 seconds. For some reason it's only a second or two short. I am recording at 0, 1, 2 and 6 levels.

Help! I need to rip my cd collection before I move across the country for school

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #1 – 2004-07-25 08:39:54

I've yet to have any problems with my H120 and Vorbis. They've all played back fine. Is it all of your songs or just a few of them?

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #2 – 2004-07-25 08:49:33

I have only tried a couple of cds and stopped because of this particular problem. Didn't see the point of going on with encoding if my songs were getting cut off. I've encoded the same cds to mp3 and wma and they worked fine on the 120. But I really want to go with ogg...if I can get it to work.

I've gone over and over my ripping set up and can't figure out what's wrong. That's why I'm hoping someone can think of an "ah ha" moment and point out something.

Yeah, no one seems to be having this problem, don't know what the heck I can be doing wrong. I have spent way too much time on this

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #3 – 2004-07-25 09:30:05

I have several thousand songs on my H120 and each one is encoded using Ogg Vorbis (Q8). Not one exibits the problem you mentioned.

My ripper is EAC if that is any help and I use several diff PC's to rip and encode so in MHO you have a problem with your PC, CDROM or Ripper.

Start with using another ripper and let us know how things sort out.

rs

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #4 – 2004-07-25 09:46:50

I have used cdex, media center and eac and all produced the same problem. Any other ripper you can recommend or maybe there's something I should tweak with my pc setup?

And the mp3 files seem to work fine, same rippers and same pc. I have noticed that if I rip one file individually in ogg (instead of the entire cd), the file is less cut off. Like a second, instead of two. But it still doesn't show up in the correct length. So in mp3, it's 35 seconds, but in ogg, it's still 27 seconds.

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #5 – 2004-07-25 10:29:41

Let's see if we can track down this bug.

tdonline, what version of the firmware are you using? Could you upload a short sample that exhibits this problem? Less than 30 seconds would do nicely.

DreamTactix291, rickshaw, could you tell us if you're running the newest firmware?

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #6 – 2004-07-25 10:51:55

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Let's see if we can track down this bug.

tdonline, what version of the firmware are you using? Could you upload a short sample that exhibits this problem? Less than 30 seconds would do nicely.

DreamTactix291, rickshaw, could you tell us if you're running the newest firmware?
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Sorry I don't have any space to upload to. But I think I figured out the problem or at the very least, a way around it. The language cd that had files cut short were encoded in ogg 0 or 1 levels. So I encoded the same cd in ogg 6 and 7 and the files were no longer cut short. I'm trying to save space by encoding the language cd at the lowest bit rate possible. Looks like my 120 is having problems handling it. If the 120 should work with ogg 0 or 1, then I'm hoping someone can come up with something. For now, I'll encode my language cd in wma 48kb, which seems to work perfectly fine in the 120. The language cd as far as sound goes, encode wonderfully. Will appreciate it if someone can suggest even lower bit rates. WMA only goes down to 48 though.

Off to bed, but tomorrow I'll encode various types of music cds in ogg 6 or 7 and see if any of the songs get cut off. Will report out results.

The only thing that is still strange is the time shown in the 120 is still different from the time shown in the laptop. So at q6 or 7, the 120 time is 30 seconds, while it's 35 seconds listed in the original cd. One file is 4:10 while the original cd is exactly 6 minutes. This is a language cd where there are lots of dead air gaps where I am supposed to answer a question or repeat a phrase. Maybe the ogg file doesn't take into account those passages? Then again, the two music cds that I encoded earlier had the same strange time differences and the songs do not have the dead air passages.

Oh, I received the 120 on Thursday and downloaded whatever the firmware was listed at the official site. Guessing it's the latest, greatest one.

Thanks for all your help. Hoping for the best tomorrow because I really need to get back to sanity

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #7 – 2004-07-25 19:29:37

My firmware is 1.40U which I believe is still the newest version. I encode to -q 6 usually if that matters to you at all.

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #8 – 2004-07-25 21:58:33

Saw this thread and tested my h120 (firmware 1.40E), encoded in variable 192kbs in EAC, then quality 7, and then in cdex to do quality 0 (had reset up EAC for my usual recording and didn't want to change it back.) Ogg vorbis encoder was 1.0.1

None of the tracks I played cut off short, was quite surprised with how the quality 0 file sounded, wasn't anywhere near as bad as I expected.

I don't have any language cd's to check that aspect of the problem myself I'm afraid.

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #9 – 2004-07-26 05:15:18

Thanks for testing. I encoded seven cds last night and enjoyed them while driving around today. None of them were cut short. I encoded with q6 in EAC. I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to listen to one cd that I haven't heard in years because it would skip.

Don't know what's going. Maybe it's something to do with my language cds? I have no interest in encoding my music cds in 0 or 1 though. But I'll test one again to see if the problem is related to only my language cds.

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #10 – 2004-07-26 05:17:48

That's good. You had me kind of worried that I might encouter a problem with my H120, but since it looks OK now hopefully it won't show up for anyone else.

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #11 – 2004-07-26 22:54:54

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For example a song that is encoded by all rippers to be 4:29 ends up to be 4:08 on the iriver. The song though isn't short by 21 seconds. For some reason it's only a second or two short.

I'm not sure if I got that right: Is it only the display that is wrong on the iRiver or is the song/text actually cut off? If it's only the display, which display mode are you using (Elapsed or Remaining)?
I've read about some problems of portable players in general to calculate the exact time of songs encoded with variable bitrate. And I've noticed that problem on my H120 with Lame-APS-encoded MP3s, so it might as well occur with Oggs (though I didn't check that). However, none of my songs were ever cut off before the end. (I'm using q6 btw)

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #12 – 2004-07-27 05:05:30

Initially I had two problems, 1) recordings were actually cut short at the very end and 2) the time elapsed was incorrect.

The first problem is no longer around because I quit recording at q0 and 1. I still have the 2nd problem, but it's only visual as the songs play completely. But at this point, I'm not hung up on it. I have to encode 150 cds or so and since Saturday, I've done a paltry dozen. I've got a week to do the rest. Anyone got tips to make EAC faster without the quality loss?

The variable bitrate explanation makes sense. I don't have the same problems with mp3 files and they were encoded in cbr. When I'm done moving, I'll play around with a couple of cds and figure out what the problems are.

Ogg on Iriver 120

Reply #13 – 2004-07-30 10:12:11

I also found my iriver with firmware 1.40E displays the time elapsed of low-bitrate (i guess around q-0,5..0,3) aoTuV encoded vorbis files wrong. It varies as much as once only ~2min for a 2:54 song and then again 20s too long in other cases. However i haven't encountered a file being played incorrectly (too short).

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