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EAC burning problem

Suddenly, for no apparent reason, SOME but not ALL CDs burned with EAC will not play on my hi fi CD player (the CD player treats them as blank CDs). However, if I burn the same audio CDs with Nero 6, all of them will play. Because of this, I believe the problem is not my hi fi CD player and (probably) not a case of bad CDR media. Only when I use EAC will some CDs not play. EAC does not report an error. In fact, it reports "CD burned successfully" every time. Also, my computer CD drive can read and play the audio CD.

It is usually the same CDs which are unreadable. That is: XYZ disc 1 is readable, but no matter how many times I burn XYZ disc 2 it is not readable (unless I burn it with Nero). I am very careful with my source media. WAV files are all checked with SHNTOOL for tracking problems. All WAV files are identical format.

I have encountered this problem with 4 different CDs from 4 different sources, today alone.

When I use EAC to extract the files from the CD (the one that is unreadable on my hifi), I am able to extract all tracks without errors.

I prefer to burn with EAC because of the drive offset capability, which no other programs do that I am aware of. I have burned hundreds of CDs with EAC, and until yesterday, there were no "coasters".

The only recent changes to my computer were that I upgraded Zone Alarm Pro to version 5.05, found it extremely buggy (and intefering with other programs), did a clean uninstall and reinstalled an older version.

I also bought a new spindle of CDRs, the same brand I always use. Is it possible that a bad batch can cause this problem?

Today I also took the precaution of reinstalling EAC, but the problem still persists.

My setup:

OS: Win 2000 SP4
APSI layer: 4.70
Burner: LG DVD-RW 4040B, firmware A302
Bus type: EIDE
Chipset: Intel P4 1800
EAC: 0.95 prebeta 5
EAC write drive settings: +667 write offset
CDR media: Sony Supremas 700MB

EAC burning problem

Reply #1 –
I'm guessing it has something to do with EAC not fully supporting your drive when burning, so EAC just uses some generic write routines.
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

EAC burning problem

Reply #2 –
Thanks for the reply. I was guessing that too. But I've burned around 100 CDs with EAC on that drive. It just suddenly developed this new syndrome of writing some but not all CDs properly.

So then I downloaded Feurio, at someone else's recommendation. Feurio has drivers for my CD writer, so it's fully supported. And I have the SAME PROBLEM with Feurio! Only Nero can properly write audio CDs.

I don't get it. The CD writer is fairly new. I use quality CDRs. Any ideas anyone?

EAC burning problem

Reply #3 –
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Feurio has drivers for my CD writer, so it's fully supported. And I have the SAME PROBLEM with Feurio! Only Nero can properly write audio CDs.

isn't your burner an LG 4040B ?
because according to the Feurio page, the LG GSA-4040B model is supported without warranty, which it means that they probably couldn't get a sample and fully test it (and you would need the last driver update).


Burning quality should only depend on media and drive, but there are sometimes reports of people finding that certain program will consistently burn with worse quality than other programs...

The post by precisionist in your other thread is an example.

You can find more examples here:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=12807
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?threadid=88980
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=13782

The last answer by Pio2001 suggests that nobody around here really knows why this can happen...

EAC burning problem

Reply #4 –
Thanks for the replies. Now it seems I MAY have tracked down the problem: the CDR media. After trying so many brands, I settled on Sony Supremas CDRs (where I live, in Hong Kong, it is impossible to find Taiyo Yudens of any make, or Fujis). Out of 300 CDRs burned, I didn't have a single coaster.

Then I bought a new batch of the same brand, and this problem started. I didn't suspect the media, since I'd had some other computer problems at the same time, related to Zone Alarm. And anyway, I wasn't having problems burning with Nero. It seemed logical that the CDRs were not the problem.

It turns out that I've been using Sony Supremas made in Taiwan. But the last batch was made in Hong Kong. And for some unknown reason, only Nero can burn them properly. I just bought, as an experiment, some TDK CDRs and they all burn fine with EAC, Feurio and Nero.

I really don't get it. If the Hong Kong made CDRs are bad (or a mismatch with my burner), then why would one program burn them properly but not others? I suppose I'll never find out. But it seems that the marriage of media, burner and software has to be exactly right or there is trouble.

EAC burning problem

Reply #5 –
Use nero or cdrindentifier v1.63 to find out the true manufacturer of your media.
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

EAC burning problem

Reply #6 –
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Use nero or cdrindentifier v1.63 to find out the true manufacturer of your media.

I know. I've done that. Trouble with Sony CDRs is that they only list the manufacturer as "Sony", no matter which country they're made in.

EAC burning problem

Reply #7 –
Hmmm, I have no problems pulling atip info from sony discs with either of my two drives: LG 8120b and LiteOn 52327s, usually CMC on newer sony discs
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

EAC burning problem

Reply #8 –
CMC disks are typically yellow-dye, short strategy, phthalocyanine.

Blue-dye, long strategy, cyanine or AZO CD-Rs enjoy wider compatibility (little wonder, as Yellow Book was developed on this standard). Besides Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi Chemicals employs these dyes.

edit: spelling

EAC burning problem

Reply #9 –
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CMC disks are typically yellow-dye, short strategy, phthalocyanine.

Blue-dye, long strategy, cyanine or AZO CD-Rs enjoy wider compatibility (little wonder, as Yellow Book was developed on this standard). Besides Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi Chemicals employ these dyes.

Hate to break it to you, but TY uses phthalocyanine too.
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

EAC burning problem

Reply #10 –
Never seen those. Got a link handy?