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Marcelo Dias

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Reply #1 –
There are, but each one I've come across has been crash city. The best method I've found so far is to rip the sections of the DVD you want (grab one that can be set to only extract the ac3 audio track), run the files through BeSweet to convert to 44.1khz WAVs, and use Chapter-X-Tractor and BeSplit to cut into tracks accordingly. You can then encode with your favorite program.

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Reply #2 –
I use ImTOO Dvd audio ripper, works great.  You can find it on Kazaa.

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Reply #3 –
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I use ImTOO Dvd audio ripper, works great.  You can find it on Kazaa.

I think that is a freeware rip and all those""im too""suite of software is a rip of good freeware tools.Anyway you could use a total recorder for that task to capture a stream directly.You can save it as wav,mp3(lame)even ogg vorbis

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Reply #4 –
You may also use DVD Decrypter (freeware -- can't seem to remember the site, but you'll find it on Google) to do the ripping.  Personally, I keep my DVD rips in AC3-format (foobar plays it anyway!), because I still have to witness a decent conversion from multi-channel to stereo...
Jurg

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Reply #5 –
Ciao From Italy !

Wich software can I use to extract NON AC3 and better sounding Music ???  (DTS, etc )

Thank You !!!

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Reply #6 –
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I have some shows in dvd , then i want to rip them in audio cds. Is there a program to do it?

DVD Decripter

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...because I still have to witness a decent conversion from multi-channel to stereo...

I normally use DVD Decripter to extract the DVD Audio to ac3 format, and then use fb2k to convert it to stereo mp4 format.  When I compare both the multichannel ac3 file with the stereo mp4 file, I cant hear any difference using stereo headphones!

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Wich software can I use to extract NON AC3 and better sounding Music ??? (DTS, etc )

I think you can do that with DVD Decripter

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Reply #7 –
To Jen:

It's not so much the sound quality of AC3 vs. MP4 (or whatever).  I think it's related to the conversion from multi-channel to dual-channel and the way the channels are mixed together. The original AC3 usually sounds superb (even when played on two channels), while the two channel conversion sounds like it's played from a submarine and picked up on another sub's sonar...  Just joking of course, but you get my point... It's probably a placebo effect though...

Never tried that fb2k-conversion thing though... Will give it a shot!
Jurg

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Reply #8 –
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Ciao From Italy !

Wich software can I use to extract NON AC3 and better sounding Music ???  (DTS, etc )

Thank You !!!

Probably nothing. The MLP sections of the disk are protected by a new encryption scheme. I don't imagine that it has been cracked yet which would be required in order to rip it.

The most promising avenue for ripping multichannel DVD-Audio would be a soundcard with multichannel digital outputs and hacking the drivers to ignore instructions from a licensed DVD-Audio playing application to disable the digital outputs.

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Reply #9 –
Anything I can use to rip to a 5.1 channel OGG Vorbis file? I've got this Blue Man Group DVD-audio, and right after I brought it home I realized that it's not exactly the most portable format. =P

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Reply #10 –
DVD-audio discs (as opposed to DVDs with audio tracks on them) are as of yet uncracked, and thus impossible to rip.
 

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Reply #11 –
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Anything I can use to rip to a 5.1 channel OGG Vorbis file? I've got this Blue Man Group DVD-audio, and right after I brought it home I realized that it's not exactly the most portable format. =P

learn something from it and never buy such a format again

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DVD-audio discs (as opposed to DVDs with audio tracks on them) are as of yet uncracked, and thus impossible to rip.

It is correct that the discs themselves are as of yet uncracked.

However, with the multichannel S/P-DIF addon board from Speak RS / DVDupgrades you can record both SACD and DVD-Audio with the PC using a modified Player (currently Pioneer DV-45/DV-656/DV-757 and DV-868 are supported, DV-747 and Denon players will follow).
The board is available to distributors and the press now and will ship shortly.

Multichannel S/P-DIF board for SACD / DVD-Audio Multinorm players

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Reply #13 –
From a Linux friend:
that DVD hack board is pretty pricey!
In the Linux world, I can rip the 24 bit/96 khz DTS (2 channel) tracks
directly to PCM via dvdrip, and then can burn them to CD's via k3b.  The
DTS tracks have to be downsampled to 16 bit/44.1 khz.
   
   Creating MLP DVD-A's is another matter, since the Meridian Lossless
Packing algorithm's are proprietary.  That's where those ADC hack boards come
into play.  Easier and cheaper to just upgrade to a Pioneer DV-47i player
with Firewire output (only $700), then make pure digital copies. But 24/96
DTS sounds pretty darn good and that's can be burned directly via k3b (all 6
surround tracks)
EAC095pb5, LAME3.98, freedb, flac 1.2.1, fb2k 0.9.5

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Reply #14 –
The Blue Man DVD is two sided, one is DVD-audio and the other is DVD-with-audio for compatibility. Could I rip that?

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Reply #15 –
what I don´t understand:
SACD-players have a digital-out, which could be used at least for a 2-Channel-SACD-output in PCM, which should be available, because DSD needs to be transformed in PCM if any filters or so are used.

Why are there no hacks available (like with region-free-hacks), which enables the digital-output for 2-Channel-SACD-output in 24bit/192KHz??? This should be possible.

cheers

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Reply #16 –
> what I don´t understand:
> SACD-players have a digital-out, which could be used at least for a 2-Channel-
> SACD-output in PCM, which should be available, because DSD needs to be
> transformed in PCM if any filters or so are used.

The output would have to be disconnected (since it used for the CD Layer / normal CDs only) and the transceiver chip would have to be capable of 88.2 kHz or 176.4 kHz. And you would have to decode the input from the onboard PCM DAC. Not easy to do, this is a realtime application....

> Why are there no hacks available (like with region-free-hacks), which enables
> the digital-output for 2-Channel-SACD-output in 24bit/192KHz??? This should be
> possible.

24/192 is not a good idea, 24/88.2 or 24/176.4 is the way to go.
SACD is 1 Bit 2.8224 MHz
2.8224 MHz / 160 = 176.4 kHz
2.8224 MHz / 320 = 88.2 kHz

The only hack that works and is available is the one from Speak RS / DVDupgrades I mentioned in my other post. It took them 20 months to develop the whole thing...

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Reply #17 –
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The Blue Man DVD is two sided, one is DVD-audio and the other is DVD-with-audio for compatibility. Could I rip that?

Yes, the audio in the DVD-Video section can be ripped with ordinary DVD ripping programs.
"Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored."
—Aldous Huxley

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Reply #18 –
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The output would have to be disconnected (since it used for the CD Layer / normal CDs only) and the transceiver chip would have to be capable of 88.2 kHz or 176.4 kHz. And you would have to decode the input from the onboard PCM DAC. Not easy to do, this is a realtime application....


mmh... we will see: I am sure that this is technically possible with most players

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24/192 is not a good idea, 24/88.2 or 24/176.4 is the way to go.
SACD is 1 Bit 2.8224 MHz
2.8224 MHz / 160 = 176.4 kHz
2.8224 MHz / 320 = 88.2 kHz

The only hack that works and is available is the one from Speak RS / DVDupgrades I mentioned in my other post. It took them 20 months to develop the whole thing...


ok, I am not that firm in DSD, because it is not interesting for me.

I will wait and see: When the first firmware is hacked, I will buy a player in any case.

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Reply #19 –
@jrelmore
> From a Linux friend:
> that DVD hack board is pretty pricey!

Of course it is, the development took 20 months.
Any idea how much money it takes to pay top engineers during 20 months??

This has nothing to do with ripping on PC drives or anything of that kind. This is a realtime application that handles DSD-to-PCM conversion and that will decode the input of the 3 onboard Stereo DACs of the player and the Sony DSD chip.
To adapt the software to each and every player model is a very tricky thing, too.
Some players use the same DACs for all channels, some don't. The protocols on the input of the DACs is always different sometimes even within the same brand of DACs. On some players there are very small differences in phase between the channels, on some there aren't any. Some players have the clock for DSD in a totally different place than others. And so on and so on. You cannot imagine how difficult it was to develop the whole thing.

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Reply #20 –
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Of course it is, the development took 20 months.
Any idea how much money it takes to pay top engineers during 20 months??

.....

You cannot imagine how difficult it was to develop the whole thing.

Hallo schalti,

I understand fully and I think it is really a nice approach, BUT: As you see, this approach is difficult and not that easy for the masses of users like a codefree-dvd-player.

It should work different:
A.) A SACD-/DVD-Audio-Player which does not lock the digital-output on SACD-/DVD-Audio-Data
B.) A Solution on the PC (which is at least for SACD kind of difficult, because PC can´t read it).

I am still hoping on one of these solutions.

cheers
Andreas

PS: It will become less pricy ;-)

EDIT: If there would be ready players existing, which have these boards installed, I would possibly also buy one ;-)

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Reply #21 –
@Lokutus01
> It should work different:
> A.) A SACD-/DVD-Audio-Player which does not lock the
> digital-output on SACD-/DVD-Audio-Data

Hm, normally it doesn't work this way. Normally there is a stereo output for DVD-Audio but @48 kHz sampling rate. So it is not attached to the input of the front channel stereo DAC :-(. And with a DSD output you couldn't do anything useful.
So it will take more than to just hack the player software (which is difficult enough).
Without hardware modification I cannot see a solution.

> B.) A Solution on the PC (which is at least for SACD kind of
> difficult, because PC can´t read it).

The only chance for DVD-Audio there is that a Software DVD-Audio player does have the key table built in to decrypt the CPPM encryption and that somebody will copy this table and create a tool out of it. With a brute force attack it is impossible.
It seems that SACDs can be read with some DVD-ROM drives but I am still investigating this. However, there doesn't seem to be any information on encryption of the DSD streams :-(.

> I am still hoping on one of these solutions.

As a consumer this is one way to deal with the problem.
As a manufacturer Speak RS had to find a solution to attach their speakers to SACD/DVD-Audio players. And since there is still no affordable solution available (HDMI/HDCP is 30'000 USD ANNUAL license fee !!!) they developed this addon-board.

> PS: It will become less pricy ;-)

We will see, maybe in a year or two.

> EDIT: If there would be ready players existing, which have
> these boards installed, I would possibly also buy one ;-)

Wait another month and you can buy a complete player (for example a Pioneer 868) at DVDupgrades. The first players are for Speak RS speaker owners, DVDupgrades distributors and the press. So, yes, there are already some lucky guys who have this unit running in their home cinema / stereo system .

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Reply #23 –
I use #1 DVD Audio Ripper (dvdtox.com).  It can extract audio soundtrack out of DVD-Video disks (not DVD-Audio disks)

Overall I like it a lot, as it does exactly what it is supposed to do. It has potential to became a great tool.  It converts to MP3, WAV, OGG, and WMA formats using freeware encoders.

Few minor complaints / wish-list include:
- I would like to see '--preset' / '--alt-preset' support for bundled LAME encoder;
- Command line options (perhaps 'advanced mode') for bundled encoders;
- Need for SPTI (or better ASPI) driver support for external DVD drives;
- Video preview window stays blank in on my machine during ripping;
- Video + Audio preview - currently I need to open regular DVD software player to accurately pick my selections;
- By default, program selects entire contents of .ifo / .vob files for audio extraction (that creates one large output file). It would be preferable if they rather default to selecting chapters (that would result in separate ‘songs’). It took me a few trials to realize that I can select chapters (within ifo file) without selecting video files one-level above them.
- Better handling of ID3 tags: so far only v1.0 are written;
- Intelligent options for file naming (perhaps based on the user supplied Artist, Album, etc., info). At this point file names cannot be automatically generated and/or based on (user supplied) ID3 v1 info.
- Upon completion of ripping / encoding process a pop-up/info window and/or sound 'jingle' would be great.