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EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Okay, I'm a bit lost here so I'm hoping some of you can help me out. I'm using EAC to copy an image and create a cuesheet and compress it using Monkey's Audio. I have my compression settings in EAC configured to use the Monkey's Audio DLL. If I open the resulting .ape file in foobar2000 and show file info I see the following tags:

ALBUM = Tunnel Trance Force Vol. 5 Disc 2
TITLE = C:\Music\Various Artists - Tunnel Trance Force Vol. 5 Disc 2
COMMENT = Exact Audio Copy

I don't want these tags to be added to my .ape at all. So I configured it to use MAC.EXE instead of the DLL and it's still getting the tags. So I went a step further and decompressed the .ape to a .wav and used the Monkey's Audio GUI to compress a new .ape. It still has these tags. How is that possible?

I don't want these tags added at all, because I'm embedding a cuesheet with all the metadata I need to archive and play in foobar2000. Currently, the TITLE tag is a pain because foobar2000 is displaying this instead of the track titles from the cuesheet.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #1 –
Have you turned off the add ID3 tag option in EAC?
'Compression Options' -> 'External Compression'
un-check 'Add ID3 tag'
 

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #2 –
This info about song is still there because it's stored in database. You have to reload info from file (right click on the file, then database -> reload info from file).

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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Have you turned off the add ID3 tag option in EAC?
'Compression Options' -> 'External Compression'
un-check 'Add ID3 tag'

When I was using the command-line encoder, yes. I had the checkbox unchecked.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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This info about song is still there because it's stored in database. You have to reload info from file (right click on the file, then database -> reload info from file).

I don't have the database in foobar2000 enabled.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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So I configured it to use MAC.EXE instead of the DLL and it's still getting the tags. So I went a step further and decompressed the .ape to a .wav and used the Monkey's Audio GUI to compress a new .ape. It still has these tags.

Sorry to be a little annoying, but are you really sure you don't have database enabled? Because it looks like it's enabled...

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #6 –
Well obviously it is EAC which is adding the tag, I would try to determine why EAC is adding it. If the 'Add ID3' is unchecked and still adding the tags then maybe you should delete your version and download a new copy and install over it. There are other checkboxes for what type if ID3 tags to write in EAC, you can try changing those to see if it changes things

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #7 –
Also disable all options in EAC -> Compression Options -> Id3 Tag

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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So I configured it to use MAC.EXE instead of the DLL and it's still getting the tags. So I went a step further and decompressed the .ape to a .wav and used the Monkey's Audio GUI to compress a new .ape. It still has these tags.

Sorry to be a little annoying, but are you really sure you don't have database enabled? Because it looks like it's enabled...

I double-checked.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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Also disable all options in EAC -> Compression Options -> Id3 Tag

Yeah, I've disabled all the ID3 options in EAC that I can see. But why is it when I decompress the .ape to a .wav in Monkey's Audio and recompress it that it still has the tags? That just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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So I configured it to use MAC.EXE instead of the DLL and it's still getting the tags. So I went a step further and decompressed the .ape to a .wav and used the Monkey's Audio GUI to compress a new .ape. It still has these tags.

Sorry to be a little annoying, but are you really sure you don't have database enabled? Because it looks like it's enabled...

It doesn't matter because tags are stored in .fpl playlists even if database is "disabled".
Please don't try to answer if you don't have a clue yourself.
Microsoft Windows: We can't script here, this is bat country.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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But why is it when I decompress the .ape to a .wav in Monkey's Audio and recompress it that it still has the tags?


I believe it would be that the original ape file has the tag(s)? ID3 and/or ape, and that when you convert to wav it keeps the tags and even when you re-encode it still keeps the tags.
You haven't removed the tags so they just keep attached to the file.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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Also disable all options in EAC -> Compression Options -> Id3 Tag

Yeah, I've disabled all the ID3 options in EAC that I can see. But why is it when I decompress the .ape to a .wav in Monkey's Audio and recompress it that it still has the tags? That just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

rightclick => database => reload info from file
And no, I am not interested in hearing whether you have "database enabled" checked or not, that option only forces specified files to be permanently cached.
Microsoft Windows: We can't script here, this is bat country.

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But why is it when I decompress the .ape to a .wav in Monkey's Audio and recompress it that it still has the tags?


I believe it would be that the original ape file has the tag(s)? ID3 and/or ape, and that when you convert to wav it keeps the tags and even when you re-encode it still keeps the tags.
You haven't removed the tags so they just keep attached to the file.

Okay...that could be. So there's no way to keep EAC from writing the damn TITLE tag? That's going to be really lame if that's the case. I guess I could always rip uncompressed with EAC and compress with either the Monkey's Audio GUI or foobar2000, but that's one more step in an already lengthy ripping process.

EDIT: I clearly must have been doing something wrong as I no longer have any tags being written when using MAC.EXE as an external encoder. Now I need to determine if there is a way to prevent tags from being written when using the DLL. I would prefer that as it is faster.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #14 –
I personally use Case's wapet to add apev2 tags directly, lets you add whatever tags you want - you might be interested in that.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

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I personally use Case's wapet to add apev2 tags directly, lets you add whatever tags you want - you might be interested in that.

I don't want tags. I'm embedding a cuesheet.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #16 –
I understand that but add whatever tags also means that you don't have to add any! It is just another way to achive your objective since for some reason the dll is adding tags

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I understand that but add whatever tags also means that you don't have to add any! It is just another way to achive your objective since for some reason the dll is adding tags

Read my edited post above. I'm no longer getting tags using the external settings so I don't need to do that. I'm trying to figure out which checkbox it was that was adding tags.

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #18 –
If it ain't broke ....

EAC and Monkey's Audio tagging questions

Reply #19 –
Okay...here's what I was able to determine. When using the Monkey's Audio DLL there is no way to prevent those tags from being added to the file. When using MAC.EXE as an external program for compression, no tags are added if I uncheck "Add ID3 tag" and "Additionally write ID3 V2 tags." That works for me. I'll contact the author of EAC to see if he can fix the problem when using the DLL.