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How fast is your internet-line´s UPstream?

 32 kbit/s ~  4.0 kByte/s (with 56 k Modem)
[ 8 ] (7.8%)
 64 kbit/s ~  7.5 kByte/s (with ISDN single channel)
[ 6 ] (5.8%)
 128 kbit/s ~ 15.0 kByte/s (with ISDN channel coupling, slower A-DSL-tariffs)
[ 33 ] (32%)
192 kbit/s ~ 24.0 kByte/s (faster A-DSL, Cable-modems)
[ 6 ] (5.8%)
256 kbit/s ~ 32.0 kByte/s (S-DSL, A-DSL, Cable)
[ 21 ] (20.4%)
384 kbit/s ~ 48.0 kByte/s (S-DSL, A-DSL, Cable)
[ 6 ] (5.8%)
512 kbit/s ~ 60.0 kByte/s (S-DSL, A-DSL, Cable)
[ 5 ] (4.9%)
640 kbit/s ~ 80.0 kByte/s (max. of some A-DSL-lines)
[ 4 ] (3.9%)
1.024 kbit/s ~ 128 kByte/s (T1-connection, S-DSL)
[ 4 ] (3.9%)
>1.536 kbit/s ~ 192 kByte/s (T1/T3-connection, S-DSL)
[ 10 ] (9.7%)

Total Members Voted: 112

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How fast is your internet-line´s UPstream?

Remember: I ask for the UPstream, NOT for the downstream of your line!

I wanna know, ´cause my line will be upgraded to a 1,5 MBit S-DSL during the next few weeks and want to know how I am laying in the competition.

Edit:
If you cannot find the exact value of your line, choose the next closest to which your line is!

P.S.: Maybe this poll is not yet perfect (and will never be then).... but who cares.
My used codecs and settings:
FLAC V1.1.2 -4 / APE V3.99 Update 4 -high / MPC V1.15v --q 5 / LAME V3.97b2 -V2 --vbr-new / OGG aoTuV V4.51 Lancer -q5

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Reply #1 –
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If you cannot find the exact value of your line, choose the next lower to it !

There's nothing lower than "32 kbit/s ~ 4.0 kByte/s (with 56 k Modem)" 

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Reply #2 –
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There's nothing lower than "32 kbit/s ~ 4.0 kByte/s (with 56 k Modem)" 

Okay. Then you sure have better things to do than to sit behind your ultra-slow modem and *try* to spend a whole afternoon for only downloading a single file. I  free you from my poll. Lucky guy. 
BTW: Can you still *hear* the bits ´n bytes then crumbling in your modem? - I found this sound always a real funny thing.
My used codecs and settings:
FLAC V1.1.2 -4 / APE V3.99 Update 4 -high / MPC V1.15v --q 5 / LAME V3.97b2 -V2 --vbr-new / OGG aoTuV V4.51 Lancer -q5

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Reply #3 –
128kbs "broad"band uplink...

No complaints whatsoever, it's free (kind of), it's included in my flat rent. Of course I could buy a faster connection, but I still haven't found urgent need, I can do my stuff with 128kbs, apparently. And I wouldn't get any discount on my rent, if chose the get a faster xdsl 

(Download is 256kbs, I would't cope with any slower)

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Reply #4 –
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my line will be upgraded to a 1,5 MBit S-DSL during the next few weeks

That's really cool. Even if you are hardly doing any filesharing, a broad upstream helps your downstream.
I'm behind a 768-down/128-up line. That ratio really makes no sense at all: say you're sending a big attachment with an email - upload will be maximally used. At the same time, you're downloading the latest service pack of whatever at another PC. Since downloads require so-called acknowledge-packets to be sent in return, and these get in the queue at the router because of the large email, download speed will drop.
This isn't something that happens rarely - it happens a couple of times a day to me. So anyone settling for a DSL connection and using more than one PC: get a deal that has decent upload!

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Reply #5 –
My internet connection only has 128k Upstream even though the DownStream is 600k ???

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Reply #6 –
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.... Even if you are hardly doing any filesharing, a broad upstream helps your downstream.
I'm behind a 768-down/128-up line. That ratio really makes no sense at all: say you're sending a big attachment with an email - upload will be maximally used. At the same time, you're downloading the latest service pack of whatever at another PC. Since downloads require so-called acknowledge-packets to be sent in return, and these get in the queue at the router because of the large email, download speed will drop.
This isn't something that happens rarely - it happens a couple of times a day to me. So anyone settling for a DSL connection and using more than one PC: get a deal that has decent upload!

Exactly right. BTW: At the moment I still have a 1500/256 A-DSL-line, with a ratio of 6:1 in DL/UL. So, same as yours. And I also had the same problems as you described here. But it can be avoided, if you use special DSL-drivers from a german company. The name of the drivers are cFos. They use the so-called traffic-shaping, which always reserves enough upload-bandwith for these acknowledge-packets, even if the actual upstream is fully in use. For further information, take a look at the company´s website. These drivers are not for free. But you can download them and have a 45-days trial, to check out if they help you. - And I can promise you: They will ! But in your case - as I now read more detailed - I don´t know. Because I don´t know, if they work together also with hardware-routers. But soon I don´t need that anymore: You are right, 1,5 MBit are the most coolest thing you (and me of course also :-) ) can imagine.
A-DSL is simply shit in the age of filesharing and nearly all western-european providers betray their customers with such offers ! And I´m really glad that I can get rid of it now. Thanks to that Hamburger company, which is the only one here in germany having such an offer for private customers.
My used codecs and settings:
FLAC V1.1.2 -4 / APE V3.99 Update 4 -high / MPC V1.15v --q 5 / LAME V3.97b2 -V2 --vbr-new / OGG aoTuV V4.51 Lancer -q5

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Reply #7 –
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If you cannot find the exact value of your line, choose the next lower to it !

There's nothing lower than "32 kbit/s ~ 4.0 kByte/s (with 56 k Modem)" 

56k modems only have a max upstream of 28800bps

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Reply #8 –
I just cut my typical cap of 10kB/s on eMule, set it to 999 instead, and hit around 600kB/s. Just like that. 

Of course, I'm on a university connection, which is presently uncapped due to it being the first year it's been offered. I've pulled 6MB/s downstream before, downloading DirectX from MS servers.

Edit: both those figures are in bytes ( B ) not bits ( b ), to be specific.

Edit2: Bah. Darn emoticons... 
 

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Reply #9 –
I am behind a 2048/640Kbps ADSL.
Do not need any faster connection! 

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Reply #10 –
Quote from: R.A.F.,Sep 13 2003, 01:36 AM
Quote from: Patsoe,Sep 13 2003, 01:00 AM

But in your case - as I now read more detailed - I don´t know. Because I don´t know, if they work together also with hardware-routers. But soon I don´t need that anymore: You are right, 1,5 MBit are the most coolest thing you (and me of course also :-) ) can imagine.

Traffic shaping would help me only if I could run it at the router... To be precise, more than one PC means eight at my house  I've been looking at getting a linux box as a router (they can do basic traffic shaping) or even better, a freebsd box (they have an interesting implementation called Dummynet). But I can't find any time to work out such a plan...

Too much time spent here I guess  Thanks for the tip.

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Reply #11 –
I'm behind Cable 256/128 but I could get 2048/512, but I have no need for that and no money 

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Reply #12 –
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56k modems only have a max upstream of 28800bps

You're right. But I didn´t want disappoint the modem-guys about the speed of their 56k´s too much.  And - correct me if I´m wrong - there is this modem-standard V92, with which some modem´s firmware can be flashed with and upgraded. And with the new standard the upstream is faster than with the old V90 one. BTW: In 99 % of the cases, those modems with V90-firmware on it also sychronize with only 44.600 bps in downstream, so those 56 k-modems better should have the name 44 k´s.
My used codecs and settings:
FLAC V1.1.2 -4 / APE V3.99 Update 4 -high / MPC V1.15v --q 5 / LAME V3.97b2 -V2 --vbr-new / OGG aoTuV V4.51 Lancer -q5

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Reply #13 –
only 192up but 1.5down

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Reply #14 –
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56k modems only have a max upstream of 28800bps

Hmm, that's news to me, I always thought it was 33.6K (with V.90). Just as well I'm no longer on a modem connection  (I'm not much better off with the 64K ISDN, but it sure is an improvement...)

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Reply #15 –
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A-DSL is simply shit in the age of filesharing and nearly all western-european providers betray their customers with such offers ! And I´m really glad that I can get rid of it now. Thanks to that Hamburger company, which is the only one here in germany having such an offer for private customers.

ADSL's specs (using mode T1.413v2) can reach up to 8Mbit (1 MByte) downloads and 1Mbit (128KByte/s) uploads. Do you call 1Mbit uploads shitty? 

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Reply #16 –
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Do you call 1Mbit uploads shitty? 

In 2 weeks Y.E.S., ´cause then I will have 1,5 MBit by myself.   


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ADSL's specs (using mode T1.413v2) can reach up to 8Mbit (1 MByte) downloads and 1Mbit (128KByte/s) uploads.

And those "specs" are theoretical values, which only can be reached under ideal, mostly non-existing circumstances in reality. And as you can see in the poll, the mayority of these nasty ADSL-providers offer their customers only 128 kBit/s Upstream - and are thus light-years away from those only in theory possible 128 kByte/s! I stay with my opinion: A-DSL should be trashed, ´cause it is a product, which was not designed for filesharing, only for normal surfing and downloads from official sources (which are boring, in my eyes).
My used codecs and settings:
FLAC V1.1.2 -4 / APE V3.99 Update 4 -high / MPC V1.15v --q 5 / LAME V3.97b2 -V2 --vbr-new / OGG aoTuV V4.51 Lancer -q5

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Reply #17 –
400 up/down on a radio connection (at work unfortunately...). 56K at home for now...

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Reply #18 –
It's hard to tell exact speed, the whole apartment is using 4 Mb in and out connection.

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Reply #19 –
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56k modems only have a max upstream of 28800bps

Hmm, that's news to me, I always thought it was 33.6K (with V.90). Just as well I'm no longer on a modem connection  (I'm not much better off with the 64K ISDN, but it sure is an improvement...)

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Thats incorrect. 56k modems; protocols Kflex, X2 and V.90 max upload speed can be at 33600bps, just like v.34bis. V.92 allows a little bit faster upload speed about 40kbps, and can also interrupt for some minutes a connection (hangup/another call, etc) and later resume. Line quality will of course make the modem fall back the speeds at connect time, and some even in the middle of a connection.

If you guys want to see some cool technology, check out MIT's
Roofnet project.

This may not mean much where you live, but at least here, it could mean communities forming free access wireless networks with internet access for all. Of course like anything wireless, latency is high, but other than that, i'll call it networks for the people!
She is waiting in the air

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Reply #20 –
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And those "specs" are theoretical values, which only can be reached under ideal, mostly non-existing circumstances in reality. And as you can see in the poll, the mayority of these nasty ADSL-providers offer their customers only 128 kBit/s Upstream - and are thus light-years away from those only in theory possible 128 kByte/s! I stay with my opinion: A-DSL should be trashed, ´cause it is a product, which was not designed for filesharing, only for normal surfing and downloads from official sources (which are boring, in my eyes).

These are the same people that want to market "internet" as commodity, but they don't like its horizontal behavior, they rather have the eat all we produce attitude of subscription TV. Some ISPs even dare forbid servers, some avoid the issue by offering only "metered" (ie. non flat rate) access. Lets see what happens when those "hippie like" community wireless networks start forming everywhere...

Oh yes, my link is a-dsl is 256kbps download 128kbps upload. Its about 40US$ month. If i recall correctly, the "QoS" thing of windows XP should take care a little of the "effects of asymmetry on TCP performance" issue. A decent Freebsd/linux gateway could also take care of this.

I don't think the technology itself (adsl) is at fault. Its this merchandising of internet access, everyone paying everyone else for bandwdth, with multiple layers of isps serving smaller isps (i think they have a liitle different term, but blah). The end result is that internet is still slow and expensive, and ISPs wanting to maximise profit, will sell you the slowest they can at the highest price their market allows. And most people face monopolies usually tied with telcos so...

Unless you live in Sweden, but there the government installed fibre optics for residential buildings who can use 10mbps or 100mbps for about 20US$ a month (and that was 1 or 2 years ago). Maybe if your gov can declare it a public service instead.. I think in some place in Asia they did.
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Reply #21 –
Theoretically I should achieve upstreams of around 33,6kpbs = 4,2kBytes/s but my 56k m0d3m never exceeds 2,5kBytes/s in average...
I love the moderators.

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Reply #23 –
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...a.k.a. "How big is your d!ck?"

.... then I will have one of the biggest here from next week on. Thanx to my plastic surgeon, at this place. 
And there are many many with really tiny ones around here. Only 128 kb ..... eh mm long. ....  You wanna have the address of my surgeon ?! 
My used codecs and settings:
FLAC V1.1.2 -4 / APE V3.99 Update 4 -high / MPC V1.15v --q 5 / LAME V3.97b2 -V2 --vbr-new / OGG aoTuV V4.51 Lancer -q5

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Reply #24 –
the only thing i noticed on dsl connections is that you never reach the peaks of your download bandwith. so if you have 768kbit down (which is normal for a german dsl connection), theoretically you can have 96kb/s down, but the highest rate you reach is about 89kb/s. in comparison to that with my 256kbit cable connection which is theoretically 32kb/s and i reach that value when downloading from good servers, not at filesharing. and ping times with dsl are comparatively slow against other broadband connections.